Expectations

[bradrhod]

Sam, I understand. I hope I'm not that crazy coach.

For reference and the suggestion by MRT that I was attempting to decieve, in trying to get an accurate description of the NSA strike zone, I went back to the wrong file and cut and pasted. I copied the NSA Rules from 2005. http://www.playnsa.com/pdfs/NSA_Rule_Book_2005.pdf Therefore, the post was inaccurate but again not unlike the present rule. Hope this clears it up some. I apologize for the error and my intend was never to mislead.

I stated that you were either wrong or trying to BS someone. That is a note of possible scenarios, not an accusation or suggestion. It turns out you made a mistake. It happens.

I can understand the confusion as NSA offers multiple, but inconsistent definitions. This little exchange may be an example of what I was talking about. You, as a coach, found a definition and stopped looking. It supported your belief and that is what you were seeking. I was more curious and looked for all information and found a completely different definition that was specific to FP & MP.

Now, think about this happening on the ball field in the middle of a game. It isn't like a computer where you have all kinds of search engines and "find" functions. The coach has time to do a little research. The umpire does not, s/he's working a ball game, but the only thing s/he is going to see is what the coach is offering. The umpire, nor the teams for that matter, have the time for the umpire to stop the game, sit down and properly conduct the research necessary to get it right which is the point everyone makes when this discussion occurs.

Let me make sure I understand. You are saying that writing it down in a clear concise fashion in a well known place, creates confusion? Then the whole concept of a rulebook that gets updated from year to year must absolutely create havoc. We should make all the rules undocumented and have everything only told to umpires at clinics, that way they can just let us know what happened in the game as it unfolds. No one could ever question anything an umpire did, because only the umpire would know what was going on.

What you are arguing does not make any sense to me. A guy in a message group grabbed the wrong rule book from a different association from an old year. That does not completely invalidate the concept of a rulebook.

Besides the strikezone is clearly documented in the rulebook. Only problem is that is not the one that called by the umpires.

[MTR]

Let me make sure I understand. You are saying that writing it down in a clear concise fashion in a well known place, creates confusion?

WTF are you talking about? Not only did not say that, but there isn't even a remote insinuation.

Then the whole concept of a rulebook that gets updated from year to year must absolutely create havoc. We should make all the rules undocumented and have everything only told to umpires at clinics, that way they can just let us know what happened in the game as it unfolds. No one could ever question anything an umpire did, because only the umpire would know what was going on.

Don't know what you are smoking, but it must be good.

What you are arguing does not make any sense to me. A guy in a message group grabbed the wrong rule book from a different association from an old year. That does not completely invalidate the concept of a rulebook.

Other than you, no one said it did. BTW, we were both refering to NSA and the 2008 book does indeed have multiple definitions of the strike zone.

Besides the strikezone is clearly documented in the rulebook. Only problem is that is not the one that called by the umpires.

And that has been hashed over for years and apparently you just cannot comprehend the very valid explanations offered by many other folks than I. Might I suggest you try umpiring. You may actually learn a few things, everyone does.

[Demonboy]

"Any part of the ball passing through this strike zone is considered a strike:"
"top of the batter's knees "

With a diameter of almost 4" then if the top of the ball is at the top of the knee then the bottom of the ball is about at the bottom of the knee. Hence I would say a strike is a pitch "AT THE KNEES"

Face it. Many umps call the pitch were it is caught, not were it crosses the plate.

Pitcher's parents. LOL. Like small strike zones are the problem in fastpitch.

[umpinva]

If my DD complains about the blue's zone I tell her to adjust to it.

That would be the smart thing to do.

[Sam]

If my DD complains about the blue's zone I tell her to adjust to it.

That would be the smart thing to do.

Not all the time....some HP's have a zone that = "down the middle." If you tell your DD to adjust to THAT zone, you better be prepared for a trip to the hospital. You can tell her to adjust if the HP is calling a low zone, high zone, wide zone....but never tell them to throw the ball down the middle.

[umpinva]

If my DD complains about the blue's zone I tell her to adjust to it.

That would be the smart thing to do.

Not all the time....some HP's have a zone that = "down the middle." If you tell your DD to adjust to THAT zone, you better be prepared for a trip to the hospital. You can tell her to adjust if the HP is calling a low zone, high zone, wide zone....but never tell them to throw the ball down the middle.

I stand corrected. "That would be the smart thing to do" if it meets your subjectivity. Bottom line though, she's either going to put the ball wherever the blue's strike zone is or there's going to be a lot of walks if the batter's aren't swinging.