TCS Just cancelled World Series events

[Backnine]

If I could correct the record, there is no evidence or data to suggest that the mass protests that began 5 weeks ago after the murder of George Floyd had any impact on the spread of coronavirus. If that were the case, we would see giant spikes in the upper East Coast, where many of these protests occurred. Instead we are seeing a regression of the virus in this part of the country.

Conversely, there was a HUGE spike in Stanislaus County, two weeks after the 36 team friendlies occurred at Rainbow Fields during the last two weekends of June. Last I heard, there were no BLM protests or rioting in Modesto, so it can't really be attributed to them. For those who may not know, Modesto is a rural farming community, not susceptible to a lot of random interpersonal contact like in the inner cities, yet they saw a major spike in new COVID-19 cases. Interesting coincidence.


https://www.modbee.com/news/coronavirus ... 56517.html

You are a special kind of stupid. Of course, common sense tells us the protest contributed to the spikes. Ever hear of Los Angeles?

[texmex45]

This has been a hugely entertaining exchange, and sadly, little to do with softball, but fun nevertheless. Melissa, now that we have established that you are a lady, I think you need to understand that when you make a statement that there is no evidence that the protests have contributed to the spike in cases, you are setting yourself up for some strong rebuttal. Sure, maybe it should have been more civil, but you knew it was coming. The truth is that thousands of protesters choosing not to wear PPE most certainly has or very shortly will contribute to the spread. While I disagree that you are a "special kind of stupid," you simply don't know. Where you did hit the nail on the head is that folks congregating in bars/restaurants, on beaches, etc. is not helping the cause either. PGF getting shit-canned is just the tip of the iceberg, so I look forward to more contributions from you. Suggest you thicken up your skin if you are going to make unsubstantiated claims. This is no place for the faint-of-heart.

[110%]

Melissar,

Just like your silly uneducated rant on just about everything since you started here, you're also mistaken about being a Lady. A true lady would never use the language you use or use the tone you use in your writings. A true lady would ignore someone they found offensive and move on.

You may be a female, there's no way to know here, but if you are, you're a loud obnoxious rude female. And if you have a husband the poor guy has my complete sympathy. His life must be miserable.. With that said, You ma'am are not a Lady.

Now back to your stupidity. You cannot be serious if you think people sitting in bars and restaurants contributed more to the spread of the Covid than the "Peaceful" (hahahaha) protests.

Again, enlighten me to the numbers of people in bars and restaurants versus the number of people marching? At least the Looters all wore masks although for a different type of self preservation. I'm confused why it's okay to protest, to rip down historical statues, to threaten the police but playing softball in a park is illegal? Explain to me why the money taken in by the BLM goes right to the Democratic Party?

Now your great Democratic Governor is closing our Churches again? Good Luck with that, I'm banking the police aren't going to go into a Church and shut it down.. Most of them believe in God.

MAGA#2020

[texmex45]

Geez 110, you cranked it up to 150 on that post. I remember the good ole days when the only arguments on the bucket had to do with whose daughter's team was better or should be ranked higher. I clearly have been away too long. Regardless of one's politics, I'm for safely getting players back out on the field. The hammer is about to fall on HS and maybe college sports, and professional sports will be unwatchable for many until normalcy returns. I guess it's too late to introduce the "can't we all just get along" philosophy into this group, because clearly we cannot, and I suppose it would be boring if we did get along. Proceed!!

[jonriv]

You guys have to realize you are being catfished……..

Maybe we can get back on topic:

As for COVID

1) Looks like recent spike started with the reopening- however, not the reopening on its own, the inability for certain people and businesses to follow the guidelines. It appears bars, parties, and young people.

2) Despite the initial lack of evidence and loud denials by some politicians, it now appears(at least in some areas) that the protests have contributed to the spike(not surprising)

3) Basic social distancing, constant washing. avoiding crowds and masks are key to make sure we can open going forward.-its not that difficult.

4) Yes, the number of cases is up because of the number of tests, but the rate of positives is way up and that should go down with more tests being given. Also, the number of hospitalizations has also jumped.

As for softball:

1) Here in the Northeast tournaments and small league play are happening. They are smaller and with rules to keep crowds smaller.

2) Softball organizations should look to what is happening with the major pro sports and the difficulties they are having

3) So far the Ivy and patriot league(along with several DIII) conferences have cancelled all fall sports. The Big 10 and Pac 12 have announced Conference only schedule. There is a great risk that more cancellations will follow. This may have long term consequences- lack of money from revenue sports may cut future scholarship money on all sports. Continuation of eligibility will also limit available scholarships.

4) Softball organizations need to thing smaller- the mega interstate or intrastate tournaments are probably not feasible for awhile. It is time to stop trying to work around the rules and working with state and local governments to see what can be held and how to do it to make everyone safe.

Softball should be happing- outside activities are great, but 20-30 team tournaments make no sense right now.

[Blind Assassin]

336,000 Confirmed COVID cases in California. Population 41,000,000
8/10 of 1% of the population has the Virus

7,086 Deaths in California
So 2.1% of the people that have been confirmed with COVID have died. They haven't all been killed by COVID...but they had it when they died.

5,942 of the 7,086 deaths in California are people 65+ years of age.

17 out of 100,000 Deaths in California have been "COVID-related."

If you are under 65 years of age, your chances of dying with the Virus are 27 out of 1,000,000.

You have 0 chance of dying with the Virus if you are under 18 years of age

People actually succumbing to COVID symptons is likely only 2/3 of the COVID-related deaths.

FOR COMPARISON
Lifetime odds of death for selected causes, United States, 2018
Cause of Death Odds of Dying
Heart disease 1 in 6
Cancer 1 in 7
All preventable causes of death 1 in 25
Chronic lower respiratory disease 1 in 26
Suicide 1 in 86
Opioid overdose 1 in 98
Motor-vehicle crash 1 in 106
Fall 1 in 111
Gun assault 1 in 298
Pedestrian incident 1 in 541
Motorcyclist 1 in 890
Drowning 1 in 1,121
Fire or smoke 1 in 1,399
Choking on food 1 in 2,618
Bicyclist 1 in 4,060
Sunstroke 1 in 7,770
Accidental gun discharge 1 in 9,077
Electrocution, radiation, extreme temperatures, and pressure 1 in 12,484
Sharp objects 1 in 29,483
Hot surfaces and substances 1 in 45,186
Hornet, wasp, and bee stings 1 in 53,989
Cataclysmic storm 1 in 54,699
Dog attack 1 in 118,776
Lightning 1 in 180,746

This is the biggest hoax ever pulled on the American people. Its politics.

[jonriv]

336,000 Confirmed COVID cases in California. Population 41,000,000
8/10 of 1% of the population has the Virus

7,086 Deaths in California
So 2.1% of the people that have been confirmed with COVID have died. They haven't all been killed by COVID...but they had it when they died.

5,942 of the 7,086 deaths in California are people 65+ years of age.

17 out of 100,000 Deaths in California have been "COVID-related."

If you are under 65 years of age, your chances of dying with the Virus are 27 out of 1,000,000.

You have 0 chance of dying with the Virus if you are under 18 years of age

People actually succumbing to COVID symptons is likely only 2/3 of the COVID-related deaths.

FOR COMPARISON
Lifetime odds of death for selected causes, United States, 2018
Cause of Death Odds of Dying
Heart disease 1 in 6
Cancer 1 in 7
All preventable causes of death 1 in 25
Chronic lower respiratory disease 1 in 26
Suicide 1 in 86
Opioid overdose 1 in 98
Motor-vehicle crash 1 in 106
Fall 1 in 111
Gun assault 1 in 298
Pedestrian incident 1 in 541
Motorcyclist 1 in 890
Drowning 1 in 1,121
Fire or smoke 1 in 1,399
Choking on food 1 in 2,618
Bicyclist 1 in 4,060
Sunstroke 1 in 7,770
Accidental gun discharge 1 in 9,077
Electrocution, radiation, extreme temperatures, and pressure 1 in 12,484
Sharp objects 1 in 29,483
Hot surfaces and substances 1 in 45,186
Hornet, wasp, and bee stings 1 in 53,989
Cataclysmic storm 1 in 54,699
Dog attack 1 in 118,776
Lightning 1 in 180,746

This is the biggest hoax ever pulled on the American people. Its politics.

Your claims of hoax are both ignorant and dangerous. The whole world would have to be involved in the "hoax"

Let's play with your numbers-only using California.

The estimates is that NYC had about 30% infection rate- actual death rate seems to be around .5 %. We need to be at 60% infection rate to achieve Herd Immunity

20% infected Dead
8,200,000.00 41,000.000

10% infected Dead
4,100,000.00 20,500.000

60% Herd Dead
24,600,000.00 123,000.000

California has been fortunate so far- You seem to discount the fact that the measures take have had an effect on past infection rates. A death rate of .5% seems low, but a small percent of a big number is still a big number. I guess its OK since most of the deaths will be over 65?

[Blind Assassin]

So...JONRIV, let's use actual data. Let's not use the single worst place in the US because of its reliance on public transportation and it's compact living area. Let's use Sweden, who has implemented a herd immunity strategy.

Population 10.3M
COVID Cases - 76,001
COVID Deaths - 5,545
Current trend is downwards for cases and deaths. The vast majority of COVID is in Stockholm. You have 7 chances in 1,000 of getting COVID and 5 chances in 10,000 of dying with COVID.

Your math is really bad. I mean atrocious. Let's break it down:

20% infected Dead
8,200,000.00 41,000.000

10% infected Dead
4,100,000.00 20,500.000

60% Herd Dead
24,600,000.00 123,000.000

Those numbers assume that EVERYONE contracts COVID. The real numbers are, using Sweden's actual experience:

0.7% infected Dead
287,000 infected out of 41,000.000
Actual Number Dead with COVID: 20,500

10% infected Dead
4,100,000.00 20,500.000
Actual Number: 86,000

60% Herd Dead
24,600,000.00 123,000.000 ????????????

The death rate has been decreasing daily. Younger people are contracting COVID....and not dying from a flu that has a 99.75% recovery rate.

Some very smart people are call BS on this entire HOAX.
https://www.foxnews.com/media/dr-scott-atlas-coronavirus-school-reopening-pelosi

[Under the Radar]

So...JONRIV, let's use actual data. Let's not use the single worst place in the US because of its reliance on public transportation and it's compact living area. Let's use Sweden, who has implemented a herd immunity strategy.

Population 10.3M
COVID Cases - 76,001
COVID Deaths - 5,545
Current trend is downwards for cases and deaths. The vast majority of COVID is in Stockholm. You have 7 chances in 1,000 of getting COVID and 5 chances in 10,000 of dying with COVID.

Your math is really bad. I mean atrocious. Let's break it down:

20% infected Dead
8,200,000.00 41,000.000

10% infected Dead
4,100,000.00 20,500.000

60% Herd Dead
24,600,000.00 123,000.000

Those numbers assume that EVERYONE contracts COVID. The real numbers are, using Sweden's actual experience:

0.7% infected Dead
287,000 infected out of 41,000.000
Actual Number Dead with COVID: 20,500

10% infected Dead
4,100,000.00 20,500.000
Actual Number: 86,000

60% Herd Dead
24,600,000.00 123,000.000 ????????????

The death rate has been decreasing daily. Younger people are contracting COVID....and not dying from a flu that has a 99.75% recovery rate.

Some very smart people are call BS on this entire HOAX.
https://www.foxnews.com/media/dr-scott-atlas-coronavirus-school-reopening-pelosi

This guy is just an idiot, & this is exactly why we are in the boat we are in. We should have just stayed the coarse on the original lock-down and we would be about where Europe is now. Instead we have a bunch of Dumb Asses calling it a Hoax and refusing to wear masks which has put us not only right back where we were but in much worse shape. Yet you still have a group if idiots saying this is all fake and lets go play is if nothing is wrong at all.
I do vote Republican but Trump is so blinded by the economy, we are now risking and loosing lives for it & he just pumps this BS not even BS just stupid remarks & myopic fools buy in. Sad Sad Days....

[Blind Assassin]

So...JONRIV, let's use actual data. Let's not use the single worst place in the US because of its reliance on public transportation and it's compact living area. Let's use Sweden, who has implemented a herd immunity strategy.

Population 10.3M
COVID Cases - 76,001
COVID Deaths - 5,545
Current trend is downwards for cases and deaths. The vast majority of COVID is in Stockholm. You have 7 chances in 1,000 of getting COVID and 5 chances in 10,000 of dying with COVID.

Your math is really bad. I mean atrocious. Let's break it down:

20% infected Dead
8,200,000.00 41,000.000

10% infected Dead
4,100,000.00 20,500.000

60% Herd Dead
24,600,000.00 123,000.000

Those numbers assume that EVERYONE contracts COVID. The real numbers are, using Sweden's actual experience:

0.7% infected Dead
287,000 infected out of 41,000.000
Actual Number Dead with COVID: 20,500

10% infected Dead
4,100,000.00 20,500.000
Actual Number: 86,000

60% Herd Dead
24,600,000.00 123,000.000 ????????????

The death rate has been decreasing daily. Younger people are contracting COVID....and not dying from a flu that has a 99.75% recovery rate.

Some very smart people are call BS on this entire HOAX.
https://www.foxnews.com/media/dr-scott-atlas-coronavirus-school-reopening-pelosi

This guy is just an idiot, & this is exactly why we are in the boat we are in. We should have just stayed the coarse on the original lock-down and we would be about where Europe is now. Instead we have a bunch of Dumb Asses calling it a Hoax and refusing to wear masks which has put us not only right back where we were but in much worse shape. Yet you still have a group if idiots saying this is all fake and lets go play is if nothing is wrong at all.
I do vote Republican but Trump is so blinded by the economy, we are now risking and loosing lives for it & he just pumps this BS not even BS just stupid remarks & myopic fools buy in. Sad Sad Days....

We are in "the boat we're in" because of people like you.....making decisions with your feelings instead of basing them on data. I understand.....we are pummeled every day by the agenda-driven media with data that they make up out of whole cloth.....remember the estimated 2.1M deaths predicted by a UW "think tank?"

Nobody is saying that there is nothing wrong. This is America. The greatest country in history. We choose. You can choose to do exactly what the Governor is MANDATING. Others would normally choose otherwise.

The data says that this is a bad version of the flu....no more....no less. Hope I didn't hurt your feelings.