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Pulling back a verbal

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by DunninLA » Tue Oct 13, 2009 1:28 pm

that's a bum situation. Did this player's travel team website post her as verballed to this school back when it happened?
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by Demonboy » Tue Oct 13, 2009 1:41 pm

CrushersDad wrote:Maybe it is just me but "verbal" is just that nothing more


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by Fuddrules » Tue Oct 13, 2009 1:53 pm

I don't believe softball is much different from other sports and if so, you can certainly receive a written offer. That offer is ultimately (NLI date by sport) signed by the player, parent and college.

There's a difference and least on the level of how serious a school is in recruiting the player. Still, a verbal, in many cases is (or should be) as good as a written offer. If the school did this because they found a better player, shame on them.

Bill Kurelic notes who has written/verbal offers in football.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=4445001&name=Midwest_Recruiting&campaign=rss&source=ESPNHeadlines
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by AlwaysImprove » Tue Oct 13, 2009 1:54 pm

If this really happend as has been stated, we should know the coach/school. This coaches word on any other verbals would be greatly devalued.

When pull back from verbals started in football, it became common practice for the most highly sought (blue chip) athletes to not verbal until one month before the NLI signing agreement date.
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by bucketboy » Tue Oct 13, 2009 2:06 pm

What a shame for this young lady. These coaches are asking kids to verbal in their sophomore and junior years in high school and this one pulls an offer at the last minute less than 30 days before signing day.

In my DD's case her future college coach sent an email to her spelling out the offer and asked that dd email back after she called to accept so there is something in writing for both parties.

Yes it is just a handshake agreement, but if your word is no good then who would want to play for someone that their word is not good.

I hope the name of the school is revealed so that other young ladies are not subjected to a coaches word that is not golden.
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by CrushersDad » Tue Oct 13, 2009 2:13 pm

Demonboy wrote:
CrushersDad wrote:Maybe it is just me but "verbal" is just that nothing more


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Maybe so, but it is not called "verbal" for nothing.

Look I completely agree that if a school makes a verbal agreement with a player (junior or Senior in Highschool) then that school should honor the "verbal" contract. If the school does not, then bad school and we should know who the school is.

The truth of the matter is - if a school really wants a player, they will enter into a written contract, then there is no "pulling back".

IMO - if a school is not in a written contract with a player and a better player comes along then the school SHOULD sign the better player. If the school does anything other than that, they are not trying to field the best team possible.
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by kingskid » Tue Oct 13, 2009 2:22 pm

I do not agree with what happen in this situation but the young lady did have MAJOR Surgery a year ago. I think they should have backed out then not after her rehab and she is looking great. Yes she is a 2010 but we all know someone will grab her quickly. Great Kid Great softball player very Legit.

I know of another instance where a school backed out after the kids Official visit becuase the coach said she did not meet his own personal academic requirments that he never told anyone about for well over a year. Senior been verballed for over a year. Turned down many offers to take his. By the way she meets all Academic requirments the University asks of. Can't tell me he did not find someone less expensive.
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by DunninLA » Tue Oct 13, 2009 2:25 pm

Crusher'sDAD wrote: "The truth of the matter is - if a school really wants a player, they will enter into a written contract, then there is no "pulling back".
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I still don't think you are grasping the NCAA rules on this (or I am not understanding your point)... the school is barred from entering into a written contract with a player until the signing period in the player's senior year.

ALL non-seniors and seniors in ALL sports *prior* to the written signing period are on verbal commitment. If a school breaks this verbal commitment without reasons that others find "reasonable", that school and or coach jeopardizes their position of trust with the other players who are already verballed, or with whom they hope to enter into verbal commitment in the next few years. It's just bad business.
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by Blind Squirrel » Tue Oct 13, 2009 2:31 pm

CrushersDad wrote:
Demonboy wrote:
CrushersDad wrote:Maybe it is just me but "verbal" is just that nothing more


It's just you.


Maybe so, but it is not called "verbal" for nothing.

Look I completely agree that if a school makes a verbal agreement with a player (junior or Senior in Highschool) then that school should honor the "verbal" contract. If the school does not, then bad school and we should know who the school is.

The truth of the matter is - if a school really wants a player, they will enter into a written contract, then there is no "pulling back".

IMO - if a school is not in a written contract with a player and a better player comes along then the school SHOULD sign the better player. If the school does anything other than that, they are not trying to field the best team pollible.


Would a signed written offer involving a minor be considered an enforceable contract in CA?

What percentage of the softball players you know that verballed received written offers at the time the verbal was accepted? The percentage is zero for me. But I don't know that many and that was a couple years ago.

The school SHOULD sign the better player? Think it through and I suspect your opinion will change. At least if you were a coach that was interested in their career. Here is a hint: If you were the parent of a highly sought after kid who had verbal offers from comparable schools, under what circumstances would you choose the school that has a coach known for withdrawing verbals a year or two later?

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by anonlooker » Tue Oct 13, 2009 2:41 pm

Enough foreplay dammit! What school are we talking about?
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