Coach KO's Blue in 10U

[Travel Ball]

The fact that the coach's actions are inexcusable does not change for one second that
the umpire is also an idiot and totally unprofessional. The minute he got down in the dirt
with that coach and started calling names, he stopped being an umpire and became part
of the problem. Because he is the official, he HAS to be held to a higher standard. Period.

Not that I disagree in principle with what you are saying.. but coaches DO lie all the time. In the realm of sports its just supposed to be accepted. So its possible that the umpire was not "calling him names" but simply telling the truth. I've been tempted to call coaches liars when they lie MANY times.. I just try to keep things calm by using a different tact with coaches. I know and expect that all coaches and parents lie.. example:

"blue she was safe by two feet" on a bang bang play where no one was safe or out by 2 feet.. it was a close play.

"Blue that was above her head" on a slightly high pitch

"Blue that was in the dirt" on a slightly low pitch.


Its possible (probable considering the level of play) this was a newer umpire who is not used to the fact that when a coach is talking to you, in many cases, he is stretching the truth at best, and many times simply being dishonest hoping to gain advantage.

While it was unprofessional to call a coach a liar.. they (MANY of them) are liars. Its not calling them a name. I'd consider it more of a "pointing out fact" when it is not generally accepted to do so.

One of the things an umpire must learn is that in softball.. dishonesty by coaches is not dealt with in a straight forward manner by telling them they are lying when they lie....

The best way to deal with it is listen to their bs nodding (while thinking about whats for dinner) and then send them back to their hey-bucket to pout...but at least they feel they had their say.

Another way for the blue to deal with it might be to listen carefully to what the coach is saying; re-play the play in your head; and when you realize you might have blown it; say: you know coach, you might be right, but it was a judgment call, not appealable, and I can't say for sure I got it wrong, so the (call) stands. If you realize you blew it and it can be appealed, go over to your partner, huddle up, tell him you blew it, and then reverse your call. But that's why, at least based on your posts on this board, you are part of the problem and not the solution.

[wadeintothem]

The fact that the coach's actions are inexcusable does not change for one second that
the umpire is also an idiot and totally unprofessional. The minute he got down in the dirt
with that coach and started calling names, he stopped being an umpire and became part
of the problem. Because he is the official, he HAS to be held to a higher standard. Period.

Not that I disagree in principle with what you are saying.. but coaches DO lie all the time. In the realm of sports its just supposed to be accepted. So its possible that the umpire was not "calling him names" but simply telling the truth. I've been tempted to call coaches liars when they lie MANY times.. I just try to keep things calm by using a different tact with coaches. I know and expect that all coaches and parents lie.. example:

"blue she was safe by two feet" on a bang bang play where no one was safe or out by 2 feet.. it was a close play.

"Blue that was above her head" on a slightly high pitch

"Blue that was in the dirt" on a slightly low pitch.


Its possible (probable considering the level of play) this was a newer umpire who is not used to the fact that when a coach is talking to you, in many cases, he is stretching the truth at best, and many times simply being dishonest hoping to gain advantage.

While it was unprofessional to call a coach a liar.. they (MANY of them) are liars. Its not calling them a name. I'd consider it more of a "pointing out fact" when it is not generally accepted to do so.

One of the things an umpire must learn is that in softball.. dishonesty by coaches is not dealt with in a straight forward manner by telling them they are lying when they lie....

The best way to deal with it is listen to their bs nodding (while thinking about whats for dinner) and then send them back to their hey-bucket to pout...but at least they feel they had their say.

Another way for the blue to deal with it might be to listen carefully to what the coach is saying; re-play the play in your head; and when you realize you might have blown it; say: you know coach, you might be right, but it was a judgment call, not appealable, and I can't say for sure I got it wrong, so the (call) stands. If you realize you blew it and it can be appealed, go over to your partner, huddle up, tell him you blew it, and then reverse your call. But that's why, at least based on your posts on this board, you are part of the problem and not the solution.

As usual.. you are clueless as to even what an appeal is, let alone how it is managed... LEAST of all how it is managed by me. Luckily you sit in the stands instead of making a mockery of yourself by having a speaking part at a game.

[Travel Ball]

There's not a coach or parent on this board (or over at eteamz) who thinks that you are any different that the idiot who got smacked. Your post, at least, proves my point; you don't care that you are part of the problem and not the solution when you espouse your usual umpire's always a right and all coaches are morons arrogance.

[wadeintothem]

There's not a coach or parent on this board (or over at eteamz) who thinks that you are any different that the idiot who got smacked. Your post, at least, proves my point; you don't care that you are part of the problem and not the solution when you espouse your usual umpire's always a right and all coaches are morons arrogance.

Considering I get several PMs a week asking me questions.. I'm guessing you are wrong.

Now go suck your slurpie and shaddup. I've forgotten more about this game, especially managing it and coaches, than you know.

[Travel Ball]

Your posts, as usual, continue to prove my point. You have no idea what I, or the coach you routinely arrogantly ignore, knows about umpiring or managing a game. And what you have forgotten is that when the game is over, no one should even remember that you were there.

[wadeintothem]

Your posts, as usual, continue to prove my point. You have no idea what I, or the coach you routinely arrogantly ignore, knows about umpiring or managing a game. And what you have forgotten is that when the game is over, no one should even remember that you were there.

OK let me learn from you then...

We umpires do this "invisible" thing by going for help when coaches have convinced us we blew a bang bang call because we listened to them tell us that we blew it.. so after he says we blew it, and we accept that, we go to our partner, secretly telling them "look I blew it, can you over turn it for me".

HAHAHAHAHHA

oops sorry for the laugh, I'm supposed to be taking you seriously, as a really important fan.

Wait! I almost forgot, there is a whole other team on the field. As a fan, you kind of just think about one, yours.

What about the other coach when you over turn that bang bang call? Do you think the other coach sits there and says "wow, that coach was really convincing, i'm glad I just got shafted".


I finally get a stalker and its an empty shell.

Wake up.

[Travel Ball]

So your position is that even when you know you're wrong you won't overturn your call because it might publicly make you look bad. You do need to go back for a refresher course. Your pride or reputation is irrelevant. Your responsibility is to get the call right. Actually, it's what you get paid for.

I'm nothing but a gadfly pointing out that your contributions on boards like these (and your stature over there in Cali) lend moral support and legitimacy to idiot blues like the fellow who got the smack down. You should re-evaluate your attitude toward coaches and question how much you umpire because (1) you love the game, (2) enjoy the power, or (3) need the money. Anything but the first choice, and it's time for you to retire.

[wadeintothem]

So your position is that even when you know you're wrong you won't overturn your call because it might publicly make you look bad.

Why would I think I was wrong? If I though differently, I would have called it differently. The only thing I will discuss is a rules issue, a game specific issue, or specific instance that could have been missed (say a pulled foot). I'm not even going to discuss a bang bang play with a coach, let alone let him convince me to go to my partner to over turn it. Were not even going to talk about it for 2 seconds.. hes getting immediately sent back to his designated area.

A refresher wont help. I get them multiple times a year.. and what you are saying is not taught at any level of umpire education, what I am saying is EXACTLY what is taught.. you invented yours all by yourself out of ignorance. What I think comes from training at the highest levels of ASA.

[Travel Ball]

So your position is that even when you know you're wrong you won't overturn your call because it might publicly make you look bad.

Why would I think I was wrong? If I though differently, I would have called it differently. The only thing I will discuss is a rules issue, a game specific issue, or specific instance that could have been missed (say a pulled foot). I'm not even going to discuss a bang bang play with a coach, let alone let him convince me to go to my partner to over turn it. Were not even going to talk about it for 2 seconds.. hes getting immediately sent back to his designated area.
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No one is talking about a bang-bang play (where a foot wasn't pulled off the bag). That would be the non-appealable call above where you are polite and explain to the coach it's a non-appealable call, and not be an arrogant SOB sending the 10u rec coach back to his heybucket with his tail between his legs because . . . well you all know that coaches are liars . . . When it's appealable, you're respectful to the coach (especially 10u rec), ask for help, admit to your partner that you could be wrong, and not "ignore the coach's BS while thinking about what you intend to have for dinner." THAT would be what they teach you in your refresher courses that you don't bother to pay attention in because you've forgotten more about softball umpiring than the instructors ever knew.

You seem to think that all 10u rec coaches even know the difference between what is appealable and what is not appealable. Part of your job is to diffuse their mis-understandings and not send them back to the their designated areas with disdain and contempt for their ignorance. Your arrogance purveys all of your posts, and your contempt toward all coaches (rec and select) on this board contributes to the problem that was typified by the story that started this thread.

[wadeintothem]

So your position is that even when you know you're wrong you won't overturn your call because it might publicly make you look bad.

Why would I think I was wrong? If I though differently, I would have called it differently. The only thing I will discuss is a rules issue, a game specific issue, or specific instance that could have been missed (say a pulled foot). I'm not even going to discuss a bang bang play with a coach, let alone let him convince me to go to my partner to over turn it. Were not even going to talk about it for 2 seconds.. hes getting immediately sent back to his designated area.
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No one is talking about a bang-bang play (where a foot wasn't pulled off the bag). That would be the non-appealable call above where you are polite and explain to the coach it's a non-appealable call, and not be an arrogant SOB sending the 10u rec coach back to his heybucket with his tail between his legs because . . . well you all know that coaches are liars . . . When it's appealable, you're respectful to the coach (especially 10u rec), ask for help, admit to your partner that you could be wrong, and not "ignore the coach's BS while thinking about what you intend to have for dinner." THAT would be what they teach you in your refresher courses that you don't bother to pay attention in because you've forgotten more about softball umpiring than the instructors ever knew.

You seem to think that all 10u rec coaches even know the difference between what is appealable and what is not appealable. Part of your job is to diffuse their mis-understandings and not send them back to the their designated areas with disdain and contempt for their ignorance. Your arrogance purveys all of your posts, and your contempt toward all coaches (rec and select) on this board contributes to the problem that was typified by the story that started this thread.

You otta crusade yourself to a clinic then.

You'd get a kick out of it I'm quite sure, and be a wonderful!! umpire. All umpires just love having these thoughtful conversations explaining to the coaches their misunderstandings and in fact, perhaps even holding a rules clinic right there on the field, if only to keep the peace. Maybe we should keep a white board handy and write it out for them.

Yep, thats what they teach ya.

The blue is there, if youre so good, come give it a try. Its easy to sit there sniveling about bang bangs and hiding under your straw hat and trying unstick your foot from your flip flops in the heat..

Much harder to unglue your ass from your seat and do something.