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What is considered good OBP/Avg in Softball?

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by Clean_up » Sat Oct 11, 2008 8:55 pm

rbi wrote:Infield Hit or Fielding Error?

Quick Slapper who hits choppers or soft slaps in infeild which are handled by IF but not cleanly and batter/runner beats them out by a few steps. When I say "not cleanly" I mean they try and rush throw (not thrown away) and either bobble or cant get out of glove in time to throw out runner, whom would have beaten throw out at first anyhow. Whats the rule of thumb?


If for sure the runner is that fast and would have made first anyway, I would credit a hit. It all depends on how long the ball is stuck in glove or how badly bobbled. I consider everything and then score either an error or hit accordingly.

I'm still waiting for someone to clarify the RBI on a passed ball..... I really want to know...
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by leftyt26 » Tue Oct 14, 2008 9:15 am

i'm pretty sure that in order to get an RBI the batter must walk with the bases loaded or put the ball in play, wild pitches and passed balls do not credit the batter as having "batted" the run in.
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by dittoz » Wed Oct 15, 2008 5:46 am

If the batter is at the plate and the pitch delivery results in a PB or a WP at which point the runner scores, this goes into the books as an RBI for the batter. The batter's presence resulted in the pitch which resulted in the run...

This isn't really rocket science - bottom line is if you are going to take artistic liberties in scoring, you are skewing the baseline for which you are comparing numbers to other players. Maybe it's an obvious mental error to allow a ball to drop untouched to the ground, but the rule says it's a hit - you have to score it as a hit. The rule says a ball hit to an infielder who throws anywhere but to 1b is a FC and must be scored as such. The hitter would get any applicable RBI's, but not a hit and as I recall, it does not count as an official AB, so it does not impact the BA. Same thing with a walk or HBP - does not impact the BA, but if it forces a run home, it becomes an RBI.

Likely, you're keeping stats to compare with others on the team and to gauge against other teams. If you don't keep them using the same standards, they aren't going to match up.

How else do you think my kid is batting .753 with an OBP of 1.02? :D
Being from NorCal, what do I know anyway???
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by leftyt26 » Wed Oct 15, 2008 6:19 am

Fc counts as an AB and as an out hence the term Fielder's Choice, meaning the fielder had a choice in which player he/she wanted to get out. Bet that avg./obp will go down some if you scored it correctly.

The mental errors I agree count as hits and thus equal out the rockets shots that get get caught.
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by leftyt26 » Wed Oct 15, 2008 6:35 am

you can find the correct scoring info @ http://www.baseball-almanac.com/rule10.shtml
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by dittoz » Wed Oct 15, 2008 8:44 am

WHOOPS! Yes, I stand corrected...

A FC is scored as an AB and as an out. Any RBIs belong to the batter.

(geez, so much for my rocket science, huh? :lol: :lol: )
Being from NorCal, what do I know anyway???
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by leftyt26 » Wed Oct 15, 2008 9:19 am

FC gets an RBI if its not on a double play
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by Demonboy » Wed Oct 15, 2008 10:48 am

dittoz wrote:If the batter is at the plate and the pitch delivery results in a PB or a WP at which point the runner scores, this goes into the books as an RBI for the batter. The batter's presence resulted in the pitch which resulted in the run...

This isn't really rocket science - bottom line is if you are going to take artistic liberties in scoring, you are skewing the baseline for which you are comparing numbers to other players. Maybe it's an obvious mental error to allow a ball to drop untouched to the ground, but the rule says it's a hit - you have to score it as a hit. The rule says a ball hit to an infielder who throws anywhere but to 1b is a FC and must be scored as such. The hitter would get any applicable RBI's, but not a hit and as I recall, it does not count as an official AB, so it does not impact the BA. Same thing with a walk or HBP - does not impact the BA, but if it forces a run home, it becomes an RBI.

Likely, you're keeping stats to compare with others on the team and to gauge against other teams. If you don't keep them using the same standards, they aren't going to match up.

How else do you think my kid is batting .753 with an OBP of 1.02? :D


Simply throwing to another base is not enough to qualify as a FC

10.05 A base hit shall be scored in the following cases:

(f) When a fielder unsuccessfully attempts to put out a preceding runner, and in the scorer's judgment the batter runner would not have been put out at first base by ordinary effort.
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by jag1 » Wed Oct 15, 2008 2:40 pm

I've always counted a FC against the players BA........ HBP, SAC, and BB were the only plate appearances that I threw out..! Could anyone shed some light on this one....I have gone almost 2 hours without being wrong about something..!! ( I'd hate to end a good streak..)..... :lol:
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by Clean_up » Thu Oct 16, 2008 5:31 pm

dittoz wrote:If the batter is at the plate and the pitch delivery results in a PB or a WP at which point the runner scores, this goes into the books as an RBI for the batter. The batter's presence resulted in the pitch which resulted in the run...
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According to WikiAnswers (link below) NO RBI is credited to the batter on a passed ball or wild pitch...

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Does_the_batt ... assed_ball
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