Pulling back a verbal

[3Bsnag]

Two things I've noticed in follow up posts:

1. The word REHAB in this girls senior year.
2. CSUF- aren't they known for verballing too many players in hopes the rest will fizzle out? Their reputation on UCS would suggest yes.

[Blind Squirrel]

Two things I've noticed in follow up posts:

1. The word REHAB in this girls senior year.
2. CSUF- aren't they known for verballing too many players in hopes the rest will fizzle out? Their reputation on UCS would suggest yes.

It is my understanding that the young lady's injury/rehab was not a factor. I know nothing about your second comment.

John

[DDsNbr1Fan]

Saw her last weekend in HB...caught 3.5 games and was nailing runners at 2b all day long...no rehab there! CSUF's loss.

[Demonboy]

For those interested, I believe the school being discussed is Cal State Fullerton.

John

Big flippin surprise there.

[DunninLA]

I agree Sam... if schools reneg on verbals, then it's only logical that parents and players will stop thinking of a verbal as a "done deal", and feel no guilt whatsoever in NLI'ing to another preferred school.

It's funny, thinking about this issue of the value of a person's WORD, I remember seeing a special a few years ago on PBS about the worldwide diamond trade. That business has been carried out for several hundred years, even to this day, in the absence of written contracts. Every deal is verbal. If two traders get together, examine a diamond or packet of diamonds, agree on a price for future delivery, they say a word in Hebrew with basically means "It is done". **edit... I found the phrase -- "mazal u'bracha" . When this phrase is spoken it is more binding than any written contract among those involved in the diamond trade.

If a trader would ever back out on his WORD, he'd be blackballed from every doing business in the diamond trade forever, including his family (that means parents, aunts/uncles, siblings, children and grandchildren).

[MTR]

Well, it's finally happening in softball....happens in mens football, basketball, and baseball all the time. This is the tip of the iceberg, folks. Softball coaches are getting fired if they don't win now....and they will change their minds on verbals...because their job now depends on them making the right decisions about recruitment. It will be interesting when the girls who have verballed start signing with other schools.....that is the next logical step.

But that already happens. So what? This is nothing new. It has been happening in college sports for years. It is almost routine in NCAA basketball and football for a player to give a verbal and change their mind. Softball is just catching up to the rest of the collegiate sports world in this matter. The coaches know damn well a player can talk to or visit any other school until a NLI is signed and submitted.

The NCAA doesn't care because it isn't part of their process. Like grayshirting, the NCAA simply recognizes it's existence, but has not placed any restrictions or regulations. The only people who think it is part of the process are those who feel they have been slighted.

[fasterpitch92701]

Credibility is the #1 issue. Verbal or not, if the player backs out for a "plan b" school why should the new school get involved with someone who changes their mind and does not honor a commit? School... the #1 question asked on the string; "what school". A school with a rep for backing out of verbals will have no success recruiting. It's a death spiral.

Unfortunately we now .08 cents out of a $1.00 issue. No facts. In an information vacuum there will be a influx of b.s., rumor, innuendo, guesses and crap. For all we know the player took her SAT's and scored a 930 after being busted for heroin while running a brothel. Or the college coach was taking bribes for commits, got caught robbing a bank, was convicted of being a pedophile and/or recruited 9 catchers and no one else. Or... who knows.

Net/net; it's all about credibility. In lieu of confirmation of the reason WHY and by WHOM, it's all just fluff.

Obviously for those on this board the #1 question is "what school?" as that might affect the largest group of individuals with a vested interest in their daughters future.

"just the facts, ma'am". (J. Webb, for you younger folks...)

enjoy in good health.

[watcher]

I have heard of two different verbals being pulled by a school, The first was from a well known Arizona school, This girl quit attending class as a senior in high school and no longer qualified to attend. The other was twins that had a verbal to an east coast school and were still "fielding offers" from other schools. I also know of a school in Ill. that honored an offer sent to a girl they thought was another player, Seems that two girls with the same name, Played the same position on the same team. lol

At this point "we" don't have all the facts on this situation

[Sam]

Well, it's finally happening in softball....happens in mens football, basketball, and baseball all the time. This is the tip of the iceberg, folks. Softball coaches are getting fired if they don't win now....and they will change their minds on verbals...because their job now depends on them making the right decisions about recruitment. It will be interesting when the girls who have verballed start signing with other schools.....that is the next logical step.

But that already happens. So what? This is nothing new. It has been happening in college sports for years. It is almost routine in NCAA basketball and football for a player to give a verbal and change their mind. Softball is just catching up to the rest of the collegiate sports world in this matter. The coaches know damn well a player can talk to or visit any other school until a NLI is signed and submitted.

The NCAA doesn't care because it isn't part of their process. Like grayshirting, the NCAA simply recognizes it's existence, but has not placed any restrictions or regulations. The only people who think it is part of the process are those who feel they have been slighted.

Mike,

I appreciate your response, but you should stick to subjects you know. The "so what?" is that, heretofor, this has not happened in women's college softball. Minus a coaching change after the verbal offer, verbals were figuratively etched in stone....a mutual respect thing....an unwritten code between the coaches. Looks like its going to be open season now.

The first shoe to drop will be interesting. Who will be the first school to accept a kid who backs out on their verbal?

[NumeroUno]

It makes me laugh when people come on here like MTR and say it is no big deal that someone pulled a verbal from a senior. No big deal it happens all the time, well so does robbery, rape and murder but it doesn't make it right..

Their is something that use to be taught in this country that is slowly fading away, it is called loyalty, remember that word? That's right making a deal with a old fashion handshake and that handshake was as good as gold.

It is no big deal MTR unless it was your kid then I bet it would be a big deal. I don't know the kid or her family and I'm not even sure what team she plays for. What I do know is that I was raised and taught about loyalty and I think it is wrong, very wrong.