ASA being sued

[superfan]

Sam...I am not just complaining about overuse my daughter is leaving the team at the appropriate time...after PGF. I agree that the whole suck it up mentality needs to change and if perhaps more conversations like this took place then the false perceptions that girls can pitch forever without ramifications to their body would change.

[Sam]

Pitch counts may, indeed, be unenforceable. Inning limits may be the answer. One pitch during an inning = an inning. No more than 7 innings on a single day. 5 innings on one day = mandatory one day rest.

Coaches violating the rule are banned from coaching in the national organization for life.

And which coach would that be? The league team coach? The fall league team coach? In indoor league team coach? The travel ball coach? The private pitching coach? Of how about that kid who recruited the player for a fun pick-up game?

IOW, all you have done was place an expensive beauracratic procedure that accomplishes absolutely nothing, but making people feel better that their child is protected when in reality, they are no better off than they were before unless that parent takes the appropriate responsibility which would have averted the entire conversation, wasted keystrokes and bandwidth.

So, Mike, exactly what is your WORKABLE, non-Socialist, solution to the problem? It sounds like you are OK with these kids sustaining injuries. How about we get rid of batting helmets, too? No masks for umpires?

[Goldcoloredglasses]

No mask for umpires is the best idea i have heard in a long time...................

seriously

[MTR]

So, Mike, exactly what is your WORKABLE, non-Socialist, solution to the problem? It sounds like you are OK with these kids sustaining injuries. How about we get rid of batting helmets, too? No masks for umpires?

If you have to ask, you haven't been reading my posts. Or you have been reading my posts and are intentionally demonstrating ignorance of them to divert the conversation because they do not agree with your belief.

[Sam]

So, Mike, exactly what is your WORKABLE, non-Socialist, solution to the problem? It sounds like you are OK with these kids sustaining injuries. How about we get rid of batting helmets, too? No masks for umpires?

If you have to ask, you haven't been reading my posts. Or you have been reading my posts and are intentionally demonstrating ignorance of them to divert the conversation because they do not agree with your belief.

Your solution is not workable, Mike. Your solution is to continue destroying young girls' arms.

ASA, NFHS, and everyone else will tell the catcher that they have to wear a mask when they are warming up a pitcher, even on the sidelines. I guess that should be a situation where the parents should be responsible and their shouldn't be a rule also. Where is the line drawn?

How about teams playing in the fall, with the exception of Gold, not being insured to play or practice by the organization for that time frame? That would cut the season down to 8 months instead of 12.

[NumeroUno]

Not to change the subject but Sam I have a question for you. Does insurance expire right after nationals? I thought it went to the end of the year.

[jonriv]

Sam brings up some valid points, however his solution might be a little reactionary. I think we ll agree that here probably should be some kind of limit put on pitchers(ie innings, throws etc) and perhaps a minimum number of pitchers per roster. The limits probably should not be as draconian as LL baseball, but also should not be the limitless free-for-all it is today.

Probably the place that really needs attention is at younger ages and rec team all-stars. The travel teams my DD has ben on have carried and used 3-5 pitchers, but the 10u and 12u town all-star team she was on had 1-2 and would ride the hot hand for a whole tournament- 8 games in one case. That was the norm for most of the town teams were the talent pool depth was not there

I also think it is important that information be out thee so parents can be given the chance to make smart decisions. What are the injury risks, what is the recommended number of games to pitch(in a week, a weekend, or a day) What is proper prep to avoid injury-how much practice o you ned?(how much is too much?) Recommend down time? etc........

For those who have read Sam- he has many attributes, but he is consistent in his passion over safety issues(masks, bats etc)

[UmpSteve]

Not to change the subject but Sam I have a question for you. Does insurance expire right after nationals? I thought it went to the end of the year.

I would assume Sam was making a proposal that he believes would shorten the demand on pitchers.

ASA/Bollinger, both individual and team insurances, covers players for a calendar year; and are postdated annually to January 1 irrespective of actual registration date for returning/renewing players, teams, and umpires. The only item that know of in ASA that expires after Nationals is the team roster; players are free to join a new team for the fall.

Since the individual registration includes insurance that follows the player as long as they play with a team that is ASA registered (in or out of ASA, and, in fact, in Premier play, too), changing teams does NOT require new player insurance or registration. It should simply require the teams to reform by reshuffling the deck of players and registering as a new team in the fall (perhaps requiring the head coach ONLY to create a new team in RegisterASA); only a new player that didn't play ASA in the spring would be required to register for the fall.

[SoftballSoccerDad]

A policy stating concrete pitching limits would be unenforceable, but if this lawsuit is solely for the purpose of bringing attention to the problem, then it's serving a valuable purpose.

Socialist reasoning. IMO, somewhat on the cowardly side. Part of the problem with this country is that everything can be resolved with a lawsuit, as if that is constitutional guarantee of relief anytime someone doesn't like something. If you want it changed, pay for it.

Au contraire. As the courts have become part of our for-profit justice system, using them to garner attention for one's cause du jour is actually a more capitalist maneuver.

[ratz19]

There would be no increase in demand for pitchers, there would be a reduction in the the amount of teams....like baseball.

Can we see your research on such a statement?

Maybe a state like Oklahoma here. lots of position players but maybe only 4 or 5 true gold pitchers.....but 16-20 "Gold" teams.....I dont see the reduction in teams argument to hold water.

Oh dont have the postion players for 16 teams either but certainly more than two or three.