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by skwiggy21 » Tue May 26, 2020 11:35 am

"Because those people interact with other people, who interact with other people...……"

Thank you Captain Obvious. Was unaware of how that worked. Again, if someone "knows whats going on" they should stay home and not interact with anyone who has possibly interacted with someone else etc...

"It is effing simple, until we get this thing under control or there is a vaccine"

"under control" is very subjective. And we have a flu "vaccine" and yet on average 40,000 die around the US every year. Is that considered "under control"?

"As I said before, a game between 2 teams and limited spectators makes sense- bringing in several hundred people from all over the place does not."

Cool on the 2 teams, I agree. I don't know too many people clamoring for tournaments where people from all over the place come to play. Seems to me most are ok with regional games. Even though there could still be "several hundred" people there, I think with the appropriate guidelines/protocols in place it would be safe. If someone disagrees and doesn't want to subject their daughter or indirectly their other family members....then don't do it...it's their choice.

"This is not just about yourself-it's about everyone you have contact with."

Didn't realize saying that it was up to the individual was making it all about myself. Still trying to wrap my head around that one, You're basically saying I am being selfish for an individual rights to choose.

"We are opening up here where I am and people for the most parts are adhering to the guideline-its not that tough. Its not because they are terrified-its because they know what's going on. It makes sense to be cautious and take proper precautions"

You're right...it's not that tough. Never said it was nor did I, or anyone else here, say we shouldn't take precautions. Let's be smart, let's be safe, but let's get this GOING. If people disagree, that is their choice.
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by jonriv » Tue May 26, 2020 11:48 am

[quoteDidn't realize saying that it was up to the individual was making it all about myself. Still trying to wrap my head around that one, You're basically saying I am being selfish for an individual rights to choose. ][/quote]

If the choice of going to an event was just about risk for yourself- making that choice is fine. If you choose to do something for your "individual rights" but puts others in danger-that by definition is selfish. You are putting your rights over those of others.

Extreme example, but to make a point. You have the right to own a gun, but in only a few rare cases is it alright to shoot someone else with that gun- get the point

Since you are ok with not havening tournaments(which is the whole basis of this thread) then why the F you arguing!!!

All I have said all along is that we have a dangerous epidemic(covid kills at 10 times the rate of flu and killed more in three months then an entire year of flu-with quarantines) and that as we reopen- we need to be careful. That big events with lots of people do not make sense. Seems most of the major sports and corporations(as well as every major country in the world seem to agre
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by jonriv » Tue May 26, 2020 11:49 am

You're right...it's not that tough. Never said it was nor did I, or anyone else here, say we shouldn't take precautions. Let's be smart, let's be safe, but let's get this GOING. If people disagree, that is their choice.


Guess you have not bee reading- refer to Sam and Spaz who think this is all a to-do about nothing
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by skwiggy21 » Tue May 26, 2020 11:53 am

Ohh I can play this game too. Since every time you get behind the wheel of a car...you are not only putting yourself and anyone inside your car at risk but everyone else on the road as well and yet...

And I DO think we should have tournaments. That's why the F I'm arguing on this thread. I don't think national tournaments where people are flying to various locations...but regional ones. I thought that was pretty clear in my previous comment.
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by jonriv » Tue May 26, 2020 12:32 pm

We have laws and restrictions concerning driving

Your car needs to meet certain safety features

You need a lic to operate

There are traffic laws

You are required to carry insurance in case your actions damage someone else's health or property

In some instances you lose your privilege to drive or in extreme instances your freedom
--- find a better example

Again the issue is acceptable risk- risk to yourself, risk to others, risk to the community. The evidence seems to argue against large gatherings- so perhaps getting all mad about not being able to do what we were able to do tournament-wise, maybe we should put our efforts into alternatives

ie regional leagues of TB teams- set up schedules, double headers etc. Work on getting the playing time in, but minimizing the crowd size? Damn, some of these organizations have so many teams they could have their own league. try to think outside the box.

With what we know about this virus bringing large groups together is not prudent, however we should figure out different ways of making things work given the current circumstances.
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by Sam » Tue May 26, 2020 2:02 pm

In order to ascertain the death rate, you have to know how many people have actually contracted the virus. We don't have a clue as to what that number is, nor what it will be.....We do know that the Red States are much more successful in battling the virus than the Blue States. We really don't know if this is deadly at all.....COVID never killed a single person.....they die from age, heart disease, pneumonia, diabetes complications, etc. COVID isn't a cause of death....it can be a contributing factor. People who have the virus and die are all in the death stats, even though COVID may not have been a contributing factor at all. Most 65+ people have stuff that can kill them. They die of that stuff all the time. The fact that they might get this flu is no reason for my individual rights and for the rights of small business owners to be commandeered by the Feds. The Constitution doesn't allow for it.
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by jonriv » Tue May 26, 2020 3:19 pm

Sam you need to read the constitution. The 10th amendment gives states(governors) the power to handle epidemics. Something the Supreme Court has supported almost completely.

Making this political is frankly disgusting. Shows how shallow you are. Just as disgusting as Democrats loading pork in their bills. This is a population density issue. Urban areas are more susceptible than rural. That plays state to state and county to county.

Your info on covid “does not kill”is also tru for aids and the flu. Again, cherry picking

It’s nice you take the attitude they would have died anyway. I now have three people I know that have died from this- one in her sixties, but what the hell. Also, a forty year old with no underlying conditions out for 6 weeks- including 2 in the hospital with respirator, but Sam says nothing to see here. Sam- you sicken me. You have let ideology and neurosis develop some kind of fantasy world. This thing is real, it’s deadly, and we need to continue to vigilant. All I can say Sam is I’m glad you are not in charge
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by jonriv » Tue May 26, 2020 3:42 pm

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Sam one of the things that has made the USA great is not only the idea of personal liberty, but the concept of rule of law. Perhaps while you sit at home brooding you might read the whole constitution, not just your favorite amendment. I would also suggest reading the Federalist papers- those by Alexander Hamilton are extraordinary.

Also, I know you want to point out Wisconsin, but it is the exception. The laws required the Governor to consult the legislature, which he did not do.
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by LoveMeSomeFastpitch » Tue May 26, 2020 8:17 pm

I believe the content of the attached article is why Governor Newsom will put the kibosh on any large tournaments this year. He has much bigger problems to be concerned about, like will teachers return to school this fall if they don't believe it's safe. I recently saw a national poll where 19% of all teachers said they have no intention of teaching in the fall because of this pandemic. If people can't demonstrate that they take social distancing seriously, I just don't see how Newsom gives the green light for large gatherings this year.

I love watching softball. I'm depressed as hell that my daughter didn't get to play her first year of high school ball, and that this summer may be put on hold. I think people should start thinking about a plan B to show the Governor that maybe teams can play in the fall. Small local friendlies are much more manageable in terms of controlling what happens on the field as well as off the field. It's a baby step in the right direction before jumping head first into a pool of murky water, where the threat remains to be seen.

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by eclipse09 » Wed May 27, 2020 12:01 am

LoveMeSomeFastpitch wrote:I believe the content of the attached article is why Governor Newsom will put the kibosh on any large tournaments this year. He has much bigger problems to be concerned about, like will teachers return to school this fall if they don't believe it's safe. I recently saw a national poll where 19% of all teachers said they have no intention of teaching in the fall because of this pandemic. If people can't demonstrate that they take social distancing seriously, I just don't see how Newsom gives the green light for large gatherings this year.

I love watching softball. I'm depressed as hell that my daughter didn't get to play her first year of high school ball, and that this summer may be put on hold. I think people should start thinking about a plan B to show the Governor that maybe teams can play in the fall. Small local friendlies are much more manageable in terms of controlling what happens on the field as well as off the field. It's a baby step in the right direction before jumping head first into a pool of murky water, where the threat remains to be seen.

https://time.com/5842600/lake-of-the-oz ... day-party/


You may be right about big tournaments, but school will be back in the fall and there will be an effort by all politicians to get people back to work. They want and need our taxes. Yes they will say the right things, put together the right committees and confer with the proper health personnel, but in the end things will move forward to get the cash and tax flow going again.
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