California TCS Sparkler cancelled?

[Luiaguilera]

Its sad to read comments like this "Less than 100 deaths out of over 3 million. I’ll take those odds." We arent cattle and shouldnt be talked about like that. The last thing we want to do is rush back and have a conversation about one of our girls dying because we did. We all miss softball but our kids safety should be the #1 priority. Its idiotic to think this is all a conspiracy !!!

[eddiez577]

Its sad to read comments like this "Less than 100 deaths out of over 3 million. I’ll take those odds." We arent cattle and shouldnt be talked about like that. The last thing we want to do is rush back and have a conversation about one of our girls dying because we did. We all miss softball but our kids safety should be the #1 priority. Its idiotic to think this is all a conspiracy !!!

@Luiaguilera I agree w you. And even if your player is ok after contracting the virus, I would imagine that death in all the player's families (grandparents, mother, father, older aunts & uncles) would create an unstable environment for the team, what with wakes and funerals every weekend, with possible multiple players in the same situation on the same weekends, coaches getting sick, older umpires not willing to work (I know plenty of retired vets who ump). IDK. Put a plan in place, but don't rush in IMO

[Sam]

Certainly glad I never served under you in the military. I don’t like being brought to slaughter

You cherry pick your numbers I personally know 4 people under 5o who spent 3 weeks in hospitals with covid. One in ny, one ct and one in mass. I see what’s going on here and the devastation because the Gov of NY and Mayor of NYC waited too long To act


As far as socialist. European countries may have a welfare state, they are far from Socialist. The means of production are all privately owned. Have you ever been there? My wife’s cousins, who live outside Milan(they actually own factories and their own businesses). The place is devistated

Also, Covid itself does not kill, it causes breakdowns or overeactions the victims immune system that kills-a key point to leave out

I’m sure the Doctors that are part of the conspiracy too.


A lockdown would not have been necessary if we had closed European flights at the same time we closed travel, had added some minor internal travel restrictions, ramped up testing and instituted social distancing earlier, but we didn’t ( hindsight is 20/20). Given the way so many people here don’t practice now is frightening

BTW. Masks worn by the general public are intended to protect others from you, not to protect you

Leading someone to slaughter would be like Hamburger Hill....this is the equivalent of sending 100,000 soldiers into war and expecting one casualty. I'm not really sure about your risk "analysis." The slaughter you reference should be happening in Georgia and Florida and Sweden......but it isn't. That should be an eye opener.

My stats were the latest CDC stats.....you cherry picked anecdotal instances.

Doctors are in with Big Pharma.....$10/bottle for Chloriquine and $15 for ZPac vs. $1,000 per dose of Remdesivir. Big Pharma is fighting and the doctors/hospitals/pharmacists are going right along.

The mask argument is the worst. It doesn't protect anyone and actually hurts the person wearing it. It doesn't prevent the virus microbes from entering the atmosphere...but it does retain bad bacteria that the wearer breaths back into their system. It starts attacking our immune systems....to make us even more susceptible to adverse effects of the virus. It makes people feel good, though, and that's what is really important. OBTW: I find it rude that you open doors and touch produce and touch atm machines.....and everything else.

People in the NE are dying because of the outbreak in nursing homes, an outbreak caused by your democratic governor.

I have no issues with you choosing to shelter in place. I choose not to and I will resume as much of my normal life that I can. I have much fewer days left in life than I have already spent. The Globalists will not control that time.

[jonriv]

I'll bite

Sweden's death rate is six times its Nordic Neighbors(Finland, Norway & Denmark)

I hope Georgia does not see a spike, but there is normally a 2-4 week delay before we will be able to see if that's he case.

When someone goes about not practicing social distancing(we'll forgo the mask) because they feel they are not at risk. would be fine if they if it was only themselves at risk, but unfortunately their actions put others at risk.

Yes, you are right that younger people(like that would be playing in a tournament), but the coaches, parents, umpires-the people they go home to may and probably do fall under the higher risk groups. 34% of the people in this country are over 50. 45% have underlying conditions(if we want to go to CDC stats) Those conditions include asthma, diabetes, heart conditions and obesity(I have seen some of the people at Softball Tourneys) For someone that has been on a soapbox on safety first and its only softball for years and parents living through their children's sport careers- the hypocrisy shines like a very bright beacon! Again, I just don't see the Risk/Reward

As far as being a Globalist plot- why the hell would the Globalist push something that would increase nationalism and isolationism- Might be time to take off the tin foil

[Sam]

I'll bite

Sweden's death rate is six times its Nordic Neighbors(Finland, Norway & Denmark)

I hope Georgia does not see a spike, but there is normally a 2-4 week delay before we will be able to see if that's he case.

When someone goes about not practicing social distancing(we'll forgo the mask) because they feel they are not at risk. would be fine if they if it was only themselves at risk, but unfortunately their actions put others at risk.

Yes, you are right that younger people(like that would be playing in a tournament), but the coaches, parents, umpires-the people they go home to may and probably do fall under the higher risk groups. 34% of the people in this country are over 50. 45% have underlying conditions(if we want to go to CDC stats) Those conditions include asthma, diabetes, heart conditions and obesity(I have seen some of the people at Softball Tourneys) For someone that has been on a soapbox on safety first and its only softball for years and parents living through their children's sport careers- the hypocrisy shines like a very bright beacon! Again, I just don't see the Risk/Reward

As far as being a Globalist plot- why the hell would the Globalist push something that would increase nationalism and isolationism- Might be time to take off the tin foil

Uhh....when did I mention softball? I'm talking about life. Parents/umpires/coaches can choose to stay home....sit in the outfield, modify the umpiring technique, etc.

As I have explained, the data shows very little risk....and this is inflated data. They aren't putting "COVID-related" on the death certificate. They are stating it to get an extra $34,000 from Uncle Sam. Many of these people are dying of cancer, heart attacks, stroke, car accidents, suicide, etc.....but they supposedly tested positive for the virus and ....VOILA....$34K extra for the hospital. The whole thing is a sick joke.

OBTW: I am 60, diabetic, with hypertension. I'm not saying you have to go out. You can still hunker down if you wish. I'm saying that those of us who think this whole thing is bullshit should be able to live our lives the way we wish. There is no evidence that says we pose a danger to anyone....although I do touch doors, touch produce, touch the keys on the ATM at the grocery store and Costco, etc.....but that part is OK. Unbelievable.

[jonriv]

Sam sorry to hear about your risk factors and truly hope you are taking precautions. I do agree with you on the whole Costco touching things etc. many of the rules set up state by state seem inconsistent and non sensible. I avoid as much contact as possible through curbside and delivery and some liberal use of disinfectant. I happen to be an “essential “ worker being a Manger if a bank. We have closed our lobby and conduct all of our business via drive up, atm, telephone, email scans and DocuSign. We run skeleton crews and have our back office spread out and many working from home. It’s actually worked out well and ironically our business is double last year. We are constantly wiping down all touch points- the ATM a lot!! Cash, which is always dirty is sprayed and handled with gloves. As a banker and someone who worked on the processing of hundreds of PPP loans(we are a small community bank) I see everyday the effects this has on everyone.

I think you downplay the risk too much IMO and I think your judgement is jaded by thoughts of conspiracy. The reason I mentioned softball was because that is what this particular thread is about

It is my belief that the threat needs to be taken seriously and many people need to reign in their reckless and frankly selfish behavior. The economy needs to reopen, but it needs to be done cautiously and following the data(infection, hospitalization and mortality rates). Until there is a vaccine there is a risk. We just need to manage the risk

My point all along, going with the thread, is that I do not think holding a softball tournament or any large gathering at this time makes sense. There is a lot of data and evidence that they do pose a huge risk( ie Biogen conference Boston, funeral New Rochelle, birthday party Westport, CT)

The reward is not worth the risk

[Luiaguilera]

Sam sorry to hear about your risk factors and truly hope you are taking precautions. I do agree with you on the whole Costco touching things etc. many of the rules set up state by state seem inconsistent and non sensible. I avoid as much contact as possible through curbside and delivery and some liberal use of disinfectant. I happen to be an “essential “ worker being a Manger if a bank. We have closed our lobby and conduct all of our business via drive up, atm, telephone, email scans and DocuSign. We run skeleton crews and have our back office spread out and many working from home. It’s actually worked out well and ironically our business is double last year. We are constantly wiping down all touch points- the ATM a lot!! Cash, which is always dirty is sprayed and handled with gloves. As a banker and someone who worked on the processing of hundreds of PPP loans(we are a small community bank) I see everyday the effects this has on everyone.

I think you downplay the risk too much IMO and I think your judgement is jaded by thoughts of conspiracy. The reason I mentioned softball was because that is what this particular thread is about

It is my belief that the threat needs to be taken seriously and many people need to reign in their reckless and frankly selfish behavior. The economy needs to reopen, but it needs to be done cautiously and following the data(infection, hospitalization and mortality rates). Until there is a vaccine there is a risk. We just need to manage the risk

My point all along, going with the thread, is that I do not think holding a softball tournament or any large gathering at this time makes sense. There is a lot of data and evidence that they do pose a huge risk( ie Biogen conference Boston, funeral New Rochelle, birthday party Westport, CT)

The reward is not worth the risk

How dare you make such ludacris comments about softball on a softball site with a softball topic @Jonriv lol. U dont need to explain yourself to these people, you have made some valid points and no matter what you say the rebels will be rebels. I agree with you on everything, the risk is not worth it at all. If everyone would just be on the same page about social distancing we would probably not have this topic and be really close to playing softball. But no, we have all these people protesting and flexing their muscles.

[Sam]

Sam sorry to hear about your risk factors and truly hope you are taking precautions. I do agree with you on the whole Costco touching things etc. many of the rules set up state by state seem inconsistent and non sensible. I avoid as much contact as possible through curbside and delivery and some liberal use of disinfectant. I happen to be an “essential “ worker being a Manger if a bank. We have closed our lobby and conduct all of our business via drive up, atm, telephone, email scans and DocuSign. We run skeleton crews and have our back office spread out and many working from home. It’s actually worked out well and ironically our business is double last year. We are constantly wiping down all touch points- the ATM a lot!! Cash, which is always dirty is sprayed and handled with gloves. As a banker and someone who worked on the processing of hundreds of PPP loans(we are a small community bank) I see everyday the effects this has on everyone.

I think you downplay the risk too much IMO and I think your judgement is jaded by thoughts of conspiracy. The reason I mentioned softball was because that is what this particular thread is about

It is my belief that the threat needs to be taken seriously and many people need to reign in their reckless and frankly selfish behavior. The economy needs to reopen, but it needs to be done cautiously and following the data(infection, hospitalization and mortality rates). Until there is a vaccine there is a risk. We just need to manage the risk

My point all along, going with the thread, is that I do not think holding a softball tournament or any large gathering at this time makes sense. There is a lot of data and evidence that they do pose a huge risk( ie Biogen conference Boston, funeral New Rochelle, birthday party Westport, CT)

The reward is not worth the risk

How dare you make such ludacris comments about softball on a softball site with a softball topic @Jonriv lol. U dont need to explain yourself to these people, you have made some valid points and no matter what you say the rebels will be rebels. I agree with you on everything, the risk is not worth it at all. If everyone would just be on the same page about social distancing we would probably not have this topic and be really close to playing softball. But no, we have all these people protesting and flexing their muscles.

So I guess you don't have a business that is going under because one man has deemed it unnecessary.

[jonriv]

As I said I work in a bank. The decision to determine (depends on the state) is within the power of the Governor. I work in CT, but live in RI. Generally the determinations in both states was reasonable considering- New Jersey has had some bizarre openings and closings regarding construction. Real tough on the restaurants. With my small businesses we have helped them get the funding they need(ppp and otherwise) as well as loan forbearance on both personal and business loans. I feel as though I have made more of an impact and have helped people more in the past month than in the past 30 years. I feel fortunate I have this opportunity. I am also on a personal level doing my best by using restaurants and getting curbside service at local breweries

Sam I know you like statistics- you should take a look at some of the excess death rates. These are statistics showing number of deaths over averages. The numbers fro mid-March to current are quite startling. Short time frame I know. The real analysis will come after a year of numbers-this will give a better mortality indicator that avoids the classification issues-take a look

[Sam]

As I said I work in a bank. The decision to determine (depends on the state) is within the power of the Governor. I work in CT, but live in RI. Generally the determinations in both states was reasonable considering- New Jersey has had some bizarre openings and closings regarding construction. Real tough on the restaurants. With my small businesses we have helped them get the funding they need(ppp and otherwise) as well as loan forbearance on both personal and business loans. I feel as though I have made more of an impact and have helped people more in the past month than in the past 30 years. I feel fortunate I have this opportunity. I am also on a personal level doing my best by using restaurants and getting curbside service at local breweries

Sam I know you like statistics- you should take a look at some of the excess death rates. These are statistics showing number of deaths over averages. The numbers fro mid-March to current are quite startling. Short time frame I know. The real analysis will come after a year of numbers-this will give a better mortality indicator that avoids the classification issues-take a look

My comment was to Lui, but I understand where you're coming from. In the end this is turning into a climate change scenario where there is no science....only belief. I think the media has succeeded in scaring many people in this country to abandon our principles and our rights and liberties to evil people that seek only to control money and our destinies. You believe differently and I respect that....I only ask that your respect my disbelief.