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by Blind Assassin » Tue Jul 14, 2020 10:40 am

Under the Radar wrote:
Blind Assassin wrote:So...JONRIV, let's use actual data. Let's not use the single worst place in the US because of its reliance on public transportation and it's compact living area. Let's use Sweden, who has implemented a herd immunity strategy.

Population 10.3M
COVID Cases - 76,001
COVID Deaths - 5,545
Current trend is downwards for cases and deaths. The vast majority of COVID is in Stockholm. You have 7 chances in 1,000 of getting COVID and 5 chances in 10,000 of dying with COVID.

Your math is really bad. I mean atrocious. Let's break it down:

20% infected Dead
8,200,000.00 41,000.000

10% infected Dead
4,100,000.00 20,500.000

60% Herd Dead
24,600,000.00 123,000.000


Those numbers assume that EVERYONE contracts COVID. The real numbers are, using Sweden's actual experience:

0.7% infected Dead
287,000 infected out of 41,000.000
Actual Number Dead with COVID: 20,500

10% infected Dead
4,100,000.00 20,500.000
Actual Number: 86,000

60% Herd Dead
24,600,000.00 123,000.000
????????????

The death rate has been decreasing daily. Younger people are contracting COVID....and not dying from a flu that has a 99.75% recovery rate.

Some very smart people are call BS on this entire HOAX.
https://www.foxnews.com/media/dr-scott-atlas-coronavirus-school-reopening-pelosi


This guy is just an idiot, & this is exactly why we are in the boat we are in. We should have just stayed the coarse on the original lock-down and we would be about where Europe is now. Instead we have a bunch of Dumb Asses calling it a Hoax and refusing to wear masks which has put us not only right back where we were but in much worse shape. Yet you still have a group if idiots saying this is all fake and lets go play is if nothing is wrong at all.
I do vote Republican but Trump is so blinded by the economy, we are now risking and loosing lives for it & he just pumps this BS not even BS just stupid remarks & myopic fools buy in. Sad Sad Days....


We are in "the boat we're in" because of people like you.....making decisions with your feelings instead of basing them on data. I understand.....we are pummeled every day by the agenda-driven media with data that they make up out of whole cloth.....remember the estimated 2.1M deaths predicted by a UW "think tank?"

Nobody is saying that there is nothing wrong. This is America. The greatest country in history. We choose. You can choose to do exactly what the Governor is MANDATING. Others would normally choose otherwise.

The data says that this is a bad version of the flu....no more....no less. Hope I didn't hurt your feelings.
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by jonriv » Tue Jul 14, 2020 10:40 am

Blind Assassin wrote:So...JONRIV, let's use actual data. Let's not use the single worst place in the US because of its reliance on public transportation and it's compact living area. Let's use Sweden, who has implemented a herd immunity strategy.

Population 10.3M
COVID Cases - 76,001
COVID Deaths - 5,545
Current trend is downwards for cases and deaths. The vast majority of COVID is in Stockholm. You have 7 chances in 1,000 of getting COVID and 5 chances in 10,000 of dying with COVID.

Your math is really bad. I mean atrocious. Let's break it down:

20% infected Dead
8,200,000.00 41,000.000

10% infected Dead
4,100,000.00 20,500.000

60% Herd Dead
24,600,000.00 123,000.000


Those numbers assume that EVERYONE contracts COVID. The real numbers are, using Sweden's actual experience:

0.7% infected Dead
287,000 infected out of 41,000.000
Actual Number Dead with COVID: 20,500

10% infected Dead
4,100,000.00 20,500.000
Actual Number: 86,000

60% Herd Dead
24,600,000.00 123,000.000
????????????

The death rate has been decreasing daily. Younger people are contracting COVID....and not dying from a flu that has a 99.75% recovery rate.

Some very smart people are call BS on this entire HOAX.
https://www.foxnews.com/media/dr-scott-atlas-coronavirus-school-reopening-pelosi



The number s assume 20 % get covid with a death rate of .5% That's .5 dumbass(which is less that the current report rates) I use New York because they have the most complete data.

Sweden's(which is an isolated country-unlike the US) had a higher death rate per 100k than the US and a 40% higher death rate than neighboring Nordic countries

Get your head out of your ass and stop whistling past the grave yard. This is a solvable problem- I agree that hysterics are not need, but ignoring it as a hoax is just pure lunacy
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by jonriv » Tue Jul 14, 2020 10:47 am

Blind Assassin wrote:
Under the Radar wrote:
Blind Assassin wrote:So...JONRIV, let's use actual data. Let's not use the single worst place in the US because of its reliance on public transportation and it's compact living area. Let's use Sweden, who has implemented a herd immunity strategy.

Population 10.3M
COVID Cases - 76,001
COVID Deaths - 5,545
Current trend is downwards for cases and deaths. The vast majority of COVID is in Stockholm. You have 7 chances in 1,000 of getting COVID and 5 chances in 10,000 of dying with COVID.

Your math is really bad. I mean atrocious. Let's break it down:

20% infected Dead
8,200,000.00 41,000.000

10% infected Dead
4,100,000.00 20,500.000

60% Herd Dead
24,600,000.00 123,000.000


Those numbers assume that EVERYONE contracts COVID. The real numbers are, using Sweden's actual experience:

0.7% infected Dead
287,000 infected out of 41,000.000
Actual Number Dead with COVID: 20,500

10% infected Dead
4,100,000.00 20,500.000
Actual Number: 86,000

60% Herd Dead
24,600,000.00 123,000.000
????????????

The death rate has been decreasing daily. Younger people are contracting COVID....and not dying from a flu that has a 99.75% recovery rate.

Some very smart people are call BS on this entire HOAX.
https://www.foxnews.com/media/dr-scott-atlas-coronavirus-school-reopening-pelosi


This guy is just an idiot, & this is exactly why we are in the boat we are in. We should have just stayed the coarse on the original lock-down and we would be about where Europe is now. Instead we have a bunch of Dumb Asses calling it a Hoax and refusing to wear masks which has put us not only right back where we were but in much worse shape. Yet you still have a group if idiots saying this is all fake and lets go play is if nothing is wrong at all.
I do vote Republican but Trump is so blinded by the economy, we are now risking and loosing lives for it & he just pumps this BS not even BS just stupid remarks & myopic fools buy in. Sad Sad Days....


We are in "the boat we're in" because of people like you.....making decisions with your feelings instead of basing them on data. I understand.....we are pummeled every day by the agenda-driven media with data that they make up out of whole cloth.....remember the estimated 2.1M deaths predicted by a UW "think tank?"

Nobody is saying that there is nothing wrong. This is America. The greatest country in history. We choose. You can choose to do exactly what the Governor is MANDATING. Others would normally choose otherwise.

The data says that this is a bad version of the flu....no more....no less. Hope I didn't hurt your feelings

Covid is 50-100 times deadlier than the flu https://www.nationalgeographic.com/scie ... -rate-cvd/ You are acting on "feelings" because you don't want to be told what to do. This is a dangerous disease that seems to run rampant when we ease up. We need to be smart and open everything up the right way.
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by Blind Assassin » Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:14 am

The flu killed 34,000 people in 2018-2019 season. You are saying that COVID will kill between 1.7M and 3.4M people.....and I'M the idiot and YOU are not hysterical. Why don't you make up some more numbers JONRIV?

New York has the most accurate data regarding contracting the disease and reporting deaths???? Wow.
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by jonriv » Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:28 am

New York has the most accurate so far because of the amount and that there has been time to analyze- it also has some of the best hospitals in the world.

Yes you are an idiot- Covid is far more deadlier than the flu- the numbers you show prove it 138k vs 34k during a shorter time period with pretty severe actions taken to prevent it. Look how fast it spreads- Latin America/Caribbean has passed US/Canada in deaths- how many deaths before you take this seriously??

I am not hysterical- I have to go to work daily(with the public), but I make sure my staff is safe and that our customers adhere to protocols-because it is the SMART thing to do. It does not take much to wash your hands, clean surface, avoid large groups, social distance, and wear a damn mask when you can't social distance
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by jonriv » Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:29 am

Blind Assassin wrote:The flu killed 34,000 people in 2018-2019 season. You are saying that COVID will kill between 1.7M and 3.4M people.....and I'M the idiot and YOU are not hysterical. Why don't you make up some more numbers JONRIV?

New York has the most accurate data regarding contracting the disease and reporting deaths???? Wow.



Did you read the National Geographic article? I don't make up numbers
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by Under the Radar » Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:54 am

Blind Assassin wrote:
Under the Radar wrote:
Blind Assassin wrote:So...JONRIV, let's use actual data. Let's not use the single worst place in the US because of its reliance on public transportation and it's compact living area. Let's use Sweden, who has implemented a herd immunity strategy.

Population 10.3M
COVID Cases - 76,001
COVID Deaths - 5,545
Current trend is downwards for cases and deaths. The vast majority of COVID is in Stockholm. You have 7 chances in 1,000 of getting COVID and 5 chances in 10,000 of dying with COVID.

Your math is really bad. I mean atrocious. Let's break it down:

20% infected Dead
8,200,000.00 41,000.000

10% infected Dead
4,100,000.00 20,500.000

60% Herd Dead
24,600,000.00 123,000.000


Those numbers assume that EVERYONE contracts COVID. The real numbers are, using Sweden's actual experience:

0.7% infected Dead
287,000 infected out of 41,000.000
Actual Number Dead with COVID: 20,500

10% infected Dead
4,100,000.00 20,500.000
Actual Number: 86,000

60% Herd Dead
24,600,000.00 123,000.000
????????????

The death rate has been decreasing daily. Younger people are contracting COVID....and not dying from a flu that has a 99.75% recovery rate.

Some very smart people are call BS on this entire HOAX.
https://www.foxnews.com/media/dr-scott-atlas-coronavirus-school-reopening-pelosi


This guy is just an idiot, & this is exactly why we are in the boat we are in. We should have just stayed the coarse on the original lock-down and we would be about where Europe is now. Instead we have a bunch of Dumb Asses calling it a Hoax and refusing to wear masks which has put us not only right back where we were but in much worse shape. Yet you still have a group if idiots saying this is all fake and lets go play is if nothing is wrong at all.
I do vote Republican but Trump is so blinded by the economy, we are now risking and loosing lives for it & he just pumps this BS not even BS just stupid remarks & myopic fools buy in. Sad Sad Days....


We are in "the boat we're in" because of people like you.....making decisions with your feelings instead of basing them on data. I understand.....we are pummeled every day by the agenda-driven media with data that they make up out of whole cloth.....remember the estimated 2.1M deaths predicted by a UW "think tank?"

Nobody is saying that there is nothing wrong. This is America. The greatest country in history. We choose. You can choose to do exactly what the Governor is MANDATING. Others would normally choose otherwise.

The data says that this is a bad version of the flu....no more....no less. Hope I didn't hurt your feelings.


Tell that to Miami, Tampa, Houston & Phoenix. I am sure they all feel its just a bad Flu.
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by Blind Assassin » Tue Jul 14, 2020 12:40 pm

jonriv wrote:New York has the most accurate so far because of the amount and that there has been time to analyze- it also has some of the best hospitals in the world.

Yes you are an idiot- Covid is far more deadlier than the flu- the numbers you show prove it 138k vs 34k during a shorter time period with pretty severe actions taken to prevent it. Look how fast it spreads- Latin America/Caribbean has passed US/Canada in deaths- how many deaths before you take this seriously??

I am not hysterical- I have to go to work daily(with the public), but I make sure my staff is safe and that our customers adhere to protocols-because it is the SMART thing to do. It does not take much to wash your hands, clean surface, avoid large groups, social distance, and wear a damn mask when you can't social distance


Using YOUR numbers it is maybe 5 times more deadly than the regular flu and you are still more likely to die from a bee sting. YOU said it is 50 to 100 times as dangerous. GO BACK INSIDE!!!! THE SKY IS FALLING!!!
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by jonriv » Tue Jul 14, 2020 1:11 pm

Blind Assassin wrote:
jonriv wrote:New York has the most accurate so far because of the amount and that there has been time to analyze- it also has some of the best hospitals in the world.

Yes you are an idiot- Covid is far more deadlier than the flu- the numbers you show prove it 138k vs 34k during a shorter time period with pretty severe actions taken to prevent it. Look how fast it spreads- Latin America/Caribbean has passed US/Canada in deaths- how many deaths before you take this seriously??

I am not hysterical- I have to go to work daily(with the public), but I make sure my staff is safe and that our customers adhere to protocols-because it is the SMART thing to do. It does not take much to wash your hands, clean surface, avoid large groups, social distance, and wear a damn mask when you can't social distance


Using YOUR numbers it is maybe 5 times more deadly than the regular flu and you are still more likely to die from a bee sting. YOU said it is 50 to 100 times as dangerous. GO BACK INSIDE!!!! THE SKY IS FALLING!!!



Did you read the National Geographic article? That's where the number came from. The scientists there are saying that the actual disease is that much deadlier- not me. You said that is just a bad flu- that's a very serious understatement and purposely misleading
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by Blind Assassin » Tue Jul 14, 2020 2:05 pm

NG article is all over the place. In one paragraph the state what nobody talks about....the rate of fatality is overstated because we do not know how many people contracted the virus and never had symptoms, and elsewhere they say that its much more lethal than we know.....OK.

I'll trust Scott Atlas from Stanford over NG's scientist from Wollongong U. NG does have great photographers, though.
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