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Alliance Year Zero

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by xmarksthespot » Sun Aug 01, 2021 5:40 am

The inaugural is done. Well at least for 16 and 18's. The weather was implausibly hot. For the majority of teams not pre-selected to the bracket of 16, there were days upon days of games, with a crescendo of five on Friday to make the "championship" vying for 17th place. Pitchers melted. Catchers melted. Teams melted. The Conklin Raiders advanced four rounds in the bracket due to forfeiture (If you can find the bracket. The website is still a WIP). The championship field a siren's lure - we've all come to OK after all. Tie me to the mast. The other fields. Torn turf, rutted pitchers circles and a dearth of shade. The Sting were bested by the mound with some twenty illegal pitches called on both teams in a single game. Hard to avoid that hole. The last illegal pitch called after the Sting's premature victory celebration. To reach these gems one must pass through miles of churches and, you guessed it, pot shops. A forlorn land deemed suitable for Indians ~150 years ago, held today with some twisted sense of pride. An inevitable denudation of talent. What does PGF platinum mean now? I will not be returning to this. Despite its shortcomings, the general consensus among the paying audience is that the PGF experience is superior.
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by Spazsdad » Sun Aug 01, 2021 8:34 am

Yes the weather was hot. Where do you think the CWS is played every year?
The format was loved by college coaches and every TB coach I talked to. The players were challenged to compete at a different level by the format. Having to beat a team 2 out of 3 is no easy task.
The teams were” pre selected” by their performance over the whole year and seeded accordingly. Just like NCAA post season.
The schedules are up and we’re updated regularly all week . They are here

https://thealliancefastpitch.com/the-al ... /schedule/

Sorry you team didn’t make it out of regionals. I believe it happened to ASU this year as well.
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by xmarksthespot » Sun Aug 01, 2021 11:19 am

The alliance tourney while purporting to emulate the college format is not dispersed across many sites and weeks nor could it be. Moreover, only the CWS is held in Ok in [b]June not end of July. Teams not fortunate or talented enough to escape the initial bracket ought just go home because the following 2X elimination format for 17th is largely pointless, costly and not very pleasant (see above). So, the bottom line: for 2/3 (48/64) of the customers, PGF looks pretty good, Not a particularly good business model,
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by xmarksthespot » Sun Aug 01, 2021 11:26 am

Another nit - what exactly are college coaches looking for in a best of three series. The strategies and depth are coach/team, not typically player specific, nor is it as stressful as a single game. On a positive note - It was nice to have proper seven inning games.
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by curveball496 » Sun Aug 01, 2021 12:03 pm

See Q bracket in above referenced url. Good luck with that.
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by Spazsdad » Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:52 am

xmarksthespot wrote:Another nit - what exactly are college coaches looking for in a best of three series. The strategies and depth are coach/team, not typically player specific, nor is it as stressful as a single game. On a positive note - It was nice to have proper seven inning games.

Having done both I believe best of three is immensely more difficult than a single game, especially for a pitcher. Odds are in 3 games you will use your #1 in two of them. Facing batters multiple times in multiple games is a challenge.
As stated in talking to coaches they all loved this format and felt it gave them a better insight into their recruits
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by ofc80 » Mon Aug 02, 2021 2:29 pm

Biggest disappointment for the 14's in Florida was the games going to 1:45 after the lightning / rain delays instead of 7 innings. Changed the outcome for some.
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by curveballerguy124 » Tue Aug 03, 2021 9:33 am

We did the 14U Alliance in Florida we were in the tier 2 bracket we lost and went to the Q bracket which just allowed us to play more so long as we kept winning. We were fortunate enough to win the Q bracket but we had to play the same team three times in the end. That proved to be very difficult because they were a tough team but we won in ITB in walk off fashion but it was only a 5 inning game so ITB was officially the 6th inning!!.However me and the other coach agreed to this upon starting the game. The reason for this agreement was it was miserably hot out and the girls were beat to shit from the heat.....

I myself really like the college format however, this abridged version was a little rough on the players I think. Not to mention I absolutely HATE Florida in the summer, I’m not sure if hell exist but I would think the weather in Florida would be as close to it on earth as we could get without dying….

Truth be told I believe the weather and lack of us acclimating to it played a big factor in our performance from day one. I don’t believe any team was at their absolute best in Florida because like I said that weather was rough that was the most uncomfortable I have ever been and I’m pretty good coaching and playing in hot weather. Don't get me wrong it was a beautiful facility but turf fields in the middle of summer in Florida was rough, the sole of one of my shoes came apart from the heat!!

In the end the biggest complaint I had was the weather that was a huge factor for us to overcome. Or maybe I'm just a snowflake Californian and I should just man the hell up!!!
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by curveball496 » Wed Aug 04, 2021 6:39 pm

The venue ought not play a role, but the June altitude and July oppressive heat. NCAA got nothing on a bunch of brave kids.
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by Luiaguilera » Wed Aug 04, 2021 7:08 pm

curveballerguy124 wrote:We did the 14U Alliance in Florida we were in the tier 2 bracket we lost and went to the Q bracket which just allowed us to play more so long as we kept winning. We were fortunate enough to win the Q bracket but we had to play the same team three times in the end. That proved to be very difficult because they were a tough team but we won in ITB in walk off fashion but it was only a 5 inning game so ITB was officially the 6th inning!!.However me and the other coach agreed to this upon starting the game. The reason for this agreement was it was miserably hot out and the girls were beat to shit from the heat.....

I myself really like the college format however, this abridged version was a little rough on the players I think. Not to mention I absolutely HATE Florida in the summer, I’m not sure if hell exist but I would think the weather in Florida would be as close to it on earth as we could get without dying….

Truth be told I believe the weather and lack of us acclimating to it played a big factor in our performance from day one. I don’t believe any team was at their absolute best in Florida because like I said that weather was rough that was the most uncomfortable I have ever been and I’m pretty good coaching and playing in hot weather. Don't get me wrong it was a beautiful facility but turf fields in the middle of summer in Florida was rough, the sole of one of my shoes came apart from the heat!!

In the end the biggest complaint I had was the weather that was a huge factor for us to overcome. Or maybe I'm just a snowflake Californian and I should just man the hell up!!!


Yea u sound like a snowflake , next time stay home and enjoy this beautiful weather here in orange county and play PGF !!!!!! :evil:
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