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by topper » Mon Mar 15, 2010 8:21 am

shagpal wrote:wow, take it easy. I merely asked why you thought it wasn't cool to you. I was asking to see what you thought, that's all. point taken, and noted.


You should have seen it coming. Several on this board disagree with any deviation from ASA rules or mechanics - particularly when it comes to NCAA ball. Their problem, not ours.
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by shagpal » Mon Mar 15, 2010 11:48 am

I have no problem with disagreeing w/ rules, but flying off the handle is rather unbecoming for umpires. gotta be an ego thing.

topper wrote:
shagpal wrote:wow, take it easy. I merely asked why you thought it wasn't cool to you. I was asking to see what you thought, that's all. point taken, and noted.


You should have seen it coming. Several on this board disagree with any deviation from ASA rules or mechanics - particularly when it comes to NCAA ball. Their problem, not ours.
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by MTR » Mon Mar 15, 2010 9:56 pm

topper wrote:
You should have seen it coming. Several on this board disagree with any deviation from ASA rules or mechanics - particularly when it comes to NCAA ball. Their problem, not ours.


And then there are those who worship at the church of the NCAA.

The NCAA is a closed shop where personal agendas occasionally take precedence.

It simply does not meet the definition of a strike, to the point that they had to add a definition of a bunt attempt just to satisfy the wishes of someone.

I disagree with what I consider stupid rules and that is not limited to NCAA, ASA, NFHS or any other organization. That is called an opinion.
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by shagpal » Fri Mar 19, 2010 10:21 pm

grapes of wrath, or sour grapes?
whoz drinking the spiked grape koolaid, you or the ncaa?

I think the ncaa priority is prolly promoting the game thru broadcast media more than any other agenda. it's about the money, the lack of it, and the potential for it. I think more than any other female team sport, fastpitch softball has the greatest future potential for financial success for women as a professional team sport, more so than women's basketball or soccer.

the world series is anything but a world competition. the true world sport (mens) is football (soccer, not the american verision), ie the world cup. women's softball has a real chance to become the true world team sport, for women. the exciting future competition will come from asian countries like china, korea, and japan, and latin american countries where they are big baseball fans. the olympics was and is a joke for baseball and softball.

right now, unless a lady is a tennis player or golfer, or danica, there's not much reward in professional sports for women (please lmk if I left out any sport). there is a real lack of female sports heros, most coming out of ice skating and gymnasics. I understand your desire as an umpire and a male, but your view may be narrow and selfish. I'd like to see the sport go big time for the ladies, and w/ broacast TV going 500 channels digital, there might just be a chance for that. I foresee a future FP Softball channel. I'm not saying your wrong, I'm just being the devils advocate towards your position to liven up the discussion. what is your vision of the future for FP softball as a sport? the NFHS forum is down and I'm no basketball fan. :(

MTR wrote:
topper wrote:
You should have seen it coming. Several on this board disagree with any deviation from ASA rules or mechanics - particularly when it comes to NCAA ball. Their problem, not ours.


And then there are those who worship at the church of the NCAA.

The NCAA is a closed shop where personal agendas occasionally take precedence.

It simply does not meet the definition of a strike, to the point that they had to add a definition of a bunt attempt just to satisfy the wishes of someone.

I disagree with what I consider stupid rules and that is not limited to NCAA, ASA, NFHS or any other organization. That is called an opinion.
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by MTR » Sat Mar 20, 2010 12:16 pm

shagpal wrote:I think the ncaa priority is prolly promoting the game thru broadcast media more than any other agenda. it's about the money, the lack of it, and the potential for it. I think more than any other female team sport, fastpitch softball has the greatest future potential for financial success for women as a professional team sport, more so than women's basketball or soccer.


Media coverage is minimal until the the playoffs. Yes, some games get covered, but just how much of a market share do the live (when they are) broadcasts actually get? Now the question is how much of a general market does it receive? The basketball playoff is what carries the broadcasts abilities of other NCAA championships.

IMO, the agenda is control, by the coaches, not the bat. They want a locked-down standard that they can contest, not umpire's judgment.

the world series is anything but a world competition. the true world sport (mens) is football (soccer, not the american verision), ie the world cup.


Like every other sport, including softball, it all depends upon personal preferences and considerations. I would not pick up my head from the obituaries to watch the playing of soccer at any level. To me, the game is just plain boring. There are people in thie world who feel the same about softball. That does not depreciate the sport, just means that some people don't like it.

women's softball has a real chance to become the true world team sport


It already is, but since you don't see it on TV, you cannot see that and many americans use TV exposure as the measure of popularity when in reallity, it is simple a measure of marketing.

the exciting future competition will come from asian countries like china, korea, and japan, and latin american countries where they are big baseball fans. the olympics was and is a joke for baseball and softball.


Women's softball has been one of the leading draws in team sports at the summer olympics and the IOC know it. Whether you like it or not, the elimination of softball and baseball from the Olympics was purely political.

right now, unless a lady is a tennis player or golfer, or danica, there's not much reward in professional sports for women (please lmk if I left out any sport). there is a real lack of female sports heros, most coming out of ice skating and gymnasics. I understand your desire as an umpire and a male, but your view may be narrow and selfish. I'd like to see the sport go big time for the ladies, and w/ broacast TV going 500 channels digital, there might just be a chance for that. I foresee a future FP Softball channel. I'm not saying your wrong, I'm just being the devils advocate towards your position to liven up the discussion. what is your vision of the future for FP softball as a sport? the NFHS forum is down and I'm no basketball fan. :(



Selfish? I have no horse in this race except the intergrity of the sport and officials who umpire it, one of which I am not.

And then there is the problem I have with general stupidity and things like this surely qualify, no matter how well they fit into this country's socialist swing.
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by topper » Sat Mar 20, 2010 4:35 pm

MTR wrote:Media coverage is minimal until the the playoffs. Yes, some games get covered, but just how much of a market share do the live (when they are) broadcasts actually get?

Exactly that much more than your beloved ASA ball does.

MTR wrote:IMO, the agenda is control, by the coaches, not the bat. They want a locked-down standard that they can contest, not umpire's judgment.

I've asked this before: Why shouldn't the individuals who earn thier livelihoods at the game have a say in the way they want the game played? Perticularly when it has to do with something as rare as a batter leaving their bat out without offering. The next time I call a strike on a batter for this will be the first.
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by MTR » Sat Mar 20, 2010 6:19 pm

topper wrote:
MTR wrote:Media coverage is minimal until the the playoffs. Yes, some games get covered, but just how much of a market share do the live (when they are) broadcasts actually get?


Exactly that much more than your beloved ASA ball does.


This is where you lose your credibility with me on softball discussions. My opinion has absolutely nothing with do with ASA. I don't care, it doesn't make any difference whether a game is on TV or not. Never really cared because like a bowl game only those involved in the game are going to be watching.

Do I like to watch games on TV? Absolutely. Then again, that is because I like softball. Here is something that will probably put a wad in your shorts. I watch USSSA ball on TV and computer streams along with ASA and NCAA. When ever I'm in somewhere and a softball game is being played, I watch, whether it is ASA, NCAA, NJCAA, NAIA, NFHS, USSSA, NSA, SNA, ISA NAFA, etc. Why? Because I like softball. I once helped out a young umpire in a NSA game being played on an Osceola County field whe I was in FL for the ASA National Convention in Orlando. Why? Because he was an umpire and that is my priority.

I've asked this before: Why shouldn't the individuals who earn thier livelihoods at the game have a say in the way they want the game played? Perticularly when it has to do with something as rare as a batter leaving their bat out without offering. The next time I call a strike on a batter for this will be the first.


If is it that rare, why create a special rule to address something that is not an issue? Can you think of any reason such a rule would be implemented without reason?

And since you are big on repeating yourself, how many times must it be stated that I don't care what they do, but that doesn't mean I HAVE to like it or NOT voice my opinion.
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