Which coach can ask question to an ump?

[wadeintothem]

Obviously there's a difference between a coach challenging a rules interpretation (allowed) and a judgment call (not allowed). At the plate meeting, the coaches are already warned by me that we will not discuss judgment calls. After the first judgment call challenge, the coach gets a reminder of what was made clear at the plate meeting. Second time, he/she gets to go to the parking lot.

Have you ever tried walking on the field and simply expecting them to act appropriately, and if they are not participatory on that level, send them to the parking lot? The results the same, they still get their warning.. but the expectation is already there. That is by rule. There is no need for a rules clinic or to be aggressive.

IMO, these warnings set a bad tone and I'm not sure why some umps insist on those types of pregame discussions.

[topper]

I have, on more than one occasion, asked at the plate conference who the head coach was and instructed WHOEVER was as the conference that I would talk with the head coach only. If anyone needs to know where in the rule book it's covered, Rule 10 (ASA, Rule 15 NCAA) will suffice.

Of course, that is not true in NCAA. .. and IMO an inappropriate warning at just about any pregame meeting.

It's not meant as a warning, it's simply direction. I do it at the youth level when I have reason to believe there may be problems with a coaching staff. I suppose I should have clarified that.

Not sure what's not true in NCAA. The NCAA rule book is pretty clear on who's responsible for communications with officials.

[GIMNEPIWO]

Obviously there's a difference between a coach challenging a rules interpretation (allowed) and a judgment call (not allowed). At the plate meeting, the coaches are already warned by me that we will not discuss judgment calls. After the first judgment call challenge, the coach gets a reminder of what was made clear at the plate meeting. Second time, he/she gets to go to the parking lot.

Have you ever tried walking on the field and simply expecting them to act appropriately, and if they are not participatory on that level, send them to the parking lot? The results the same, they still get their warning.. but the expectation is already there. That is by rule. There is no need for a rules clinic or to be aggressive.

IMO, these warnings set a bad tone and I'm not sure why some umps insist on those types of pregame discussions.

Well ... maybe, maybe not ... In my limited experience with Rec Slow Pitch Mens and Co-Ed this year ... although I made sure I knew who the Coaches were, the team always doesn't always know who they are ... and it takes an extra level of patience ( warning maybe ) and assertiveness to make them understand that I am in charge ... I did not have to send anyone to the parking lot, but certainly could have if I didn't lengthen my fuse for the situation ...

[MTR]

Points on possible issues in this thread.

Myth among players, coaches and spectators is a "warning" is due them prior to ejection. Wrong. A "warning" or anything construed to be a warning (yes, I've heard people say, "but the umpire didn't say "warning" (idiots)) is not necessary. Other than instances where a warning is required by rule (and that never applies to an ejection), warnings are offered at the sole discretion of the umpire.

If necessary or deemed appropriate by the umpire, warnings are given upon an act that the umpire feels it is warranted. An umpire should not give "warnings" at the plate pregame meeting unless a participant actually did something to necessitate such action.

While it may be necessary to dictate who is to be recognized as the authority for the team, an umpire who refuses to discuss a play with the coach immediately associated with the play is a fool.

[ice_67]

Points on possible issues in this thread.

Myth among players, coaches and spectators is a "warning" is due them prior to ejection. Wrong. A "warning" or anything construed to be a warning (yes, I've heard people say, "but the umpire didn't say "warning" (idiots)) is not necessary. Other than instances where a warning is required by rule (and that never applies to an ejection), warnings are offered at the sole discretion of the umpire.

If necessary or deemed appropriate by the umpire, warnings are given upon an act that the umpire feels it is warranted. An umpire should not give "warnings" at the plate pregame meeting unless a participant actually did something to necessitate such action.

While it may be necessary to dictate who is to be recognized as the authority for the team, an umpire who refuses to discuss a play with the coach immediately associated with the play is a fool.

MTR,

Please site ASA rule where a spectator can be ejected. I thought only a player or coach can be ejected. Maybe the coach gets tossed becasue of a spectator.

[wadeintothem]

I think you misread it ice.. the myth is with spectators.. not the rule.

[Patrick]

I personally will never "eject" a spectator. But is they are disrupting the game, I have/will instruct the on site administrator to remove them.

[GIMNEPIWO]

I personally will never "eject" a spectator. But is they are disrupting the game, I have/will instruct the on site administrator to remove them.

NFHS / VHSL speaking ... we are instructed to stop the game, locate the AD or their
representitive ... advise him/her of the situation and have them handle it from there. And at some time I believe it was mentioned that if the AD does not handle it, the home team forfeits, but I may be wrong ...

[SoCalASABlue]

Wade;

My association UIC has made it pretty clear - at least to those of us with fewer than 5 years umpiring experience - that GENERALLY you should not run someone until he/she makes it personal. Obviously there are exceptions. I have only run one since I started umpiring and that was because of cursing turning into a personal attack. I am a coach as well, so perhaps that makes me a little more understanding of the non-personal normal grousing. I agree with you that all participants (coaches, umpires, players) should be expected to act appropriately...but coaches should also know what's in the rule book

[cent]

Another question, can only the person that went to the Home Plate meeting be the AD for the team, or can it be any coach. LOL