Which coach can ask question to an ump?

[GIMNEPIWO]

The coach can handle the spectators. If they elect to ignore my direction to handle the spectator(s), they can leave and I'll talk to the assistant and work my way down the line until someone finally realizes we aren't continuing until it is handled.

Why would it fall on a coach to handle someone who heppens to be sitting in their stands? What if the problem party is not associated with their team? Other than citing Rule 10, which would work for me BTW, where does the rules book support requiring a coach to police the stands?

NFHS speaking: Rule 5-2-1-C Suspension of Play when a player, bench personnel or spectator is ordered from the field of play ...
Rule 10-5 The umpires right to disqualify players or remove nonplayers for objecting to decisions or for unsporting conduct is absolute
Rule 10-2 The umpire has final authority to forfeit a game ...
Rule 10-3-e ... call game if conditions become unfit for play
Rule 10-3-g ... make final decision on points not covered by the rules
Rule 10-3-h .... forfeit game for prescribed infractions by spectators ....

I don't think it says anywhere that it falls to the Coach, but we are told to suspend play, have the Home Team Coach find the AD or whoever his representitive is to take care of the problem, if they don't take care of the problem then it is a forfeit ... in HS when there is a clear Home Team/ Visting Team ... Home Field ... I think it does fall to school personnel to provide a safe environment for the student athletes to participate in a school sponsored event ... If the Home Team can not provide a safe environment through school personnel/police, then they lose ... Most of our HS games in VA have police security present ... Suppose it is a visiting parent causing the problem ... Blue talks to Home Coach, the Home Coach says to the AD to solve it, they don't... AD finds the Police, they do ... re-start game ...

[topper]

NFHS speaking...

With HS and college, we're talking about institutions being responsible for policing their site. It's still not the coach's responsibility, it's the on-site administrator's. I'm going to know where that person is most likely to be and get them myself.

My question has to do with tournament or rec ball.

[GIMNEPIWO]

NFHS speaking...

With HS and college, we're talking about institutions being responsible for policing their site. It's still not the coach's responsibility, it's the on-site administrator's. I'm going to know where that person is most likely to be and get them myself.

My question has to do with tournament or rec ball.

I don't know if I would leave the field to look for an AD at a multi sport venue & leave my partner to be pummeled by the rotten eggs ... wouldn't it be better to send the Home Coach or their Asst. ?

It seems that the UIC or Tournament Director would be the proper chain of command ... but if it is obvious which teams fan is out of line, I think I would still say first, "Coach, you've got 15 seconds to take care of that ". If he/she could take care of it ... It's better than causing the kid more embarrassment than they are already feeling ... JMO

[SoCalASABlue]

For tournament or rec ball, the situation where managers/coaches are held responsible for their "supporters" is usually a local league rule...however, whenever I have umpired ASA-sanctioned District All-Star tournaments, there has always been an addition to the standard ASA rules about managers/coaches being responsible for spectators, no noise makers, etc.

[Comp]

The ASA rule book has an entry in the index that says, Spectators, Abusive Language but gives no rules citation. Right under it is attacking an umpire which is 5-4-A, and it specifically states if a spectator attacks an umpire the team forfeits the game.

4-7-A says a coach is responsible for the teams actions on the field, but, there is no definition of what constitutes the "field" in the book. Fair territory is defined, but not if the spectators areas are considered to be part of the field.

[topper]

I don't know if I would leave the field to look for an AD at a multi sport venue & leave my partner to be pummeled by the rotten eggs ... wouldn't it be better to send the Home Coach or their Asst. ?

You should be meeting with the on-site administrator before the game to go over where they are most likely to be. If you can't spot them, someone in the press box will get them for you.

It seems that the UIC or Tournament Director would be the proper chain of command ... but if it is obvious which teams fan is out of line, I think I would still say first, "Coach, you've got 15 seconds to take care of that ". If he/she could take care of it ... It's better than causing the kid more embarrassment than they are already feeling ... JMO

Great, just cite something other than Rule 10 to support this.

[cent]

Gimmep and topper you are missing the point, we are asking not about high school (Do they really PLAY high school SOFTBALL) but real softball, travel ball. Where does it say an umpire can throw out a spectator in the ASA Rule Book.

[Patrick]

The home management is responsible to control the venue. If there is not a game manager available, that responsibility falls to the head coach of the home team. I have had only one problem over the years, in a 10U baseball game. A dad did not like the fact that I called his son out on strikes and made it known to anyone who would listen. He was causing all kinds of commotion. I went to the home head coach and told him to deal with this. He talked to the dad and was told that the dad wasn't leaving, this was a public park. In told the coach that he's probably right, he doesn't have to leave. But this wasn't continuing with him here. At that point the other parents got involved and booed him out of the place.

[GIMNEPIWO]

I don't know if I would leave the field to look for an AD at a multi sport venue & leave my partner to be pummeled by the rotten eggs ... wouldn't it be better to send the Home Coach or their Asst. ?

You should be meeting with the on-site administrator before the game to go over where they are most likely to be. If you can't spot them, someone in the press box will get them for you.

It seems that the UIC or Tournament Director would be the proper chain of command ... but if it is obvious which teams fan is out of line, I think I would still say first, "Coach, you've got 15 seconds to take care of that ". If he/she could take care of it ... It's better than causing the kid more embarrassment than they are already feeling ... JMO

Great, just cite something other than Rule 10 to support this.

Do you really go to a HS game and meet with the on site administrator before a game ? I not calling BS on that, but wow ... I don't even know what they look like ... .... Any way, that is not the s.o.p. that VHSL/NFHS has given us ... we're to tell the Coach who is a school employee, often in our area the press box duties are handled by volunteers or students ...

For ASA, I think Comp is onto something in the rule book ...

[GIMNEPIWO]

I was spectating at a HS Game ... there was a young man, late teens early 20's on the outside of the outfield fence ... He was creeping out the gals and they let the Blues know ... they immediately stopped the game and went to the outfield fence and made sure he was beating a path ... game resumed, no problem ... game management