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by SlapLeather » Mon Nov 09, 2009 1:42 pm

This is the situation:

The baserunner at first attempts to steal 2nd base. SS catches the ball and the base runner slides into the tag to result in a fairly close play.

The umpire initially calls the runner out, but then quickly changes his call to safe because the SS had the ball knocked out of her glove during the tag/slide.

As the player slide into the bag, it became dislodged and pushed a couple of feet from its mounting platform (breakaway base). The base runner steps away from the base platform I would assume to allow the umpire to put the base on the platform, but becasue the umpire did not call timeout, and the BR stepped into no mans land, was tagged again and then called out again.

What is the correct ruling? Once the umpire declared her safe for the player dropping the ball, shouldn't timeout have been immediatley called due to the base being dislodged?
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by henryg » Mon Nov 09, 2009 3:17 pm

Rule 8.3.C reads
When a runner dislodges a base from its proper position, neither the runner, nor the succeeding runner(s) in the same series of plays are compelled to follow a base out of position. EFFECT Section 3 B-C: The ball is in play and runners may advance or return without liability to be put out.

Rule 8.8.N reads
When a runner slides into a base and dislodges it from its proper position the base is considered to have followed the runner. EFFECT: A runner reaching a base safely will not be called out for being off that base if it becomes dislodged. The runner may return without liability to be put out when the base has been replaced. A runner forfeits this exemption if they attempt to advance beyond the dislodged base before it is again in its proper place.

Based on this wording I would think the ball remains in play until all action stops and then the umpire would call time. If the runner walked away from the point where her slide ended before the umpire called time then she would be in jeopardy of being called out if the umpire, in their judgement, feels that by walking away there was an attempt to advance.
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by SlapLeather » Mon Nov 09, 2009 4:12 pm

Would that be the case even in the event that an attempt to advance a base did not take place? Just a confused 10U player wondering what to do.
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by MTR » Mon Nov 09, 2009 4:58 pm

SlapLeather wrote:As the player slide into the bag, it became dislodged and pushed a couple of feet from its mounting platform (breakaway base). The base runner steps away from the base platform I would assume to allow the umpire to put the base on the platform, but becasue the umpire did not call timeout, and the BR stepped into no mans land, was tagged again and then called out again.

What is the correct ruling? Once the umpire declared her safe for the player dropping the ball, shouldn't timeout have been immediatley called due to the base being dislodged?


Speaking ASA

Since the runner made no attempt to advance, the runner is not out.
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by SlapLeather » Tue Nov 10, 2009 1:25 pm

Thanks to the both of you for clarifying this issue.
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