1 out Caught fly ball, runners at 1st and 3rd base

[fosterspoint]

One out. Runners on first and third. Fly ball to right field is caught for second out. Runner on 3rd tags up. Runner on 1st does not tag, runs toward 2nd. Right fielder throws to 2nd base. Runner from 3rd scores. Second base throws back to 1st to get the third out by force out on the runner who left early.

The runner from 3rd scored before the force out was made at 1st. Should the run count?

[Hot Corner]

The run does not score. It doesn't matter if the run scored before the out at first was made on the field. The out occurred when the runner left early. Once the appeal is done, the runner on first will be out and the run does not count.

[topper]

The run does not score. It doesn't matter if the run scored before the out at first was made on the field. The out occurred when the runner left early. Once the appeal is done, the runner on first will be out and the run does not count.

Not exactly.

The appeal is treated as a timing play. If R1 scores from 3rd prior to the successful appeal, the run scores.

[fosterspoint]

The runner from 1st ran back toward 1st base. A throw was made to 1st base to force the runner out before she got back to 1st base. The runner from 3rd reached home before the play was made at 1st. There was not an appeal because the out was made at 1st base.

Is this the same?

[Hot Corner]

I misunderstood. I believe Topper is correct unless there was an appeal made about the runner leaving early. Any umps out there to clarify.

[topper]

The runner from 1st ran back toward 1st base. A throw was made to 1st base to force the runner out before she got back to 1st base. The runner from 3rd reached home before the play was made at 1st. There was not an appeal because the out was made at 1st base.

Is this the same?

The throw to 1st is considered a live ball appeal.

[topper]

I misunderstood. I believe Topper is correct unless there was an appeal made about the runner leaving early. Any umps out there to clarify.

1 for sure.

[fosterspoint]

Why is this force out different than a force out on a runner advancing to a base? If a runner crosses the plate before a force out on an advancing runner, the run does not count.

Just trying to understand the difference.

[topper]

It's not a force out, it's an appeal.

[fosterspoint]

So it's an appeal if the ball was thrown to the base before the runner gets back, not a force out.