Obstruction SNAFU

[Iluvblue]

BS, competition is plenty good and our team is plenty good,, and even a good umpire in our game today didnt call obstruction when he should have. I argued the call with him, he stated his case which was absolutely incorrect.

I walked away, not because I knew I was wrong and changed my tactics as you stated, it just made no sense to sit and argue the call with the umpire at that point.

Game ends and umpire approaches me and tells me , yes, I blew that call at home after thinking about it some more. So just because the guy made the call and the coach walks away, doesnt mean the coach is wrong. And at least this ump has enough class to admit he was wrong, something too few will do.

You can not argue the original call (in this post) in any way shape or form. If that runner got knocked to the ground rounding first, and then she is out at third on a play that is within even 5 ft at third, that is simple as pie and only an incompetent umpire could argue it otherwise. 40 years , or 50 years calling games makes no difference.. And you are right, the call shouldnt be that hard, but apparently it is.

[Iluvblue]

A simple statement of ignorance. Apparently, the good umpires don't work your games. Is the competition that bad? The rule is SIMPLE and easily enforced and understandable for those who get it when it comes to the game.



Since you want to bring abilities into, look at the list, we are on it.



USA Today/NFCA High School Top 25 -- April 28, 2011
The USA Today/National Fastpitch Coaches Association High School Top 25 is compiled by state representatives from across the country. Records include all games played through April 24, 2011. Among the criteria considered is a school's strength of schedule, the quality of competition in its state or league, and the quality of its players.

Rank Team Record Pts Pvs
1 The Woodlands (Texas) 32-0 0 1
2 American Heritage (Florida) 21-0 0 2
3 Alexander Central (North Carolina) 17-0 0 3
4 East Lake (Florida) 25-0 0 4
5 Hudsonville (Michigan) 4-0 0 5
6 Plano (Texas) 30-3 0 6
7 Canyon del Oro (Arizona) 27-1 0 7
8 Riverdale (Tennessee) 35-2 0 8
9 Coronado (Texas) 32-0 0 9
10 Gulliver Prep (Florida) 26-2 0 11
11 Barbe (Louisiana) 25-2 0 13
12 Bartow (Florida) 24-1 0 15
13 Kaukauna (Wisconsin) 3-0 0 14
14 Bishop O'Connell (Virginia) 14-1 0 16
15 Northern (Maryland) 10-0 0 17
16 Poland Seminary (Ohio) 9-0 0 18
17 Morris Knolls (New Jersey) 11-0 0 19
18 Etiwanda (California) 17-2 0 20
19 Valencia (California) 17-3 0 10
20 Elk Grove (Illinois) 12-1 0 22
21 Frisco Wakeland (Texas) 28-3 0 23
22 Lake Norman (North Carolina) 19-1 0 25
23 Sarasota (Florida) 24-2 0 NR
24 North Davidson (North Carolina) 16-1 0 12
25 Sunrise Mountain (Arizona) 22-1 0 NR
25 Johansen (California) 16-0 0 NR



Is that good enough competition?

[anonlooker]

Nice competition if you played any of them, sure. But you haven't, so what's your point?

Nice win over Modesto Downey. 37-1. You didn't feel safe after scoring 12 in the 1st? Or 11 more in the 2nd? Guess when you were up 35, you probably thought you had that one in the bag?

Can't help but wonder why they would forfeit the rematch.

[Iluvblue]

onlooker, you have no clue.

Notice Beyer beat Downey 20-0 also. That team has been outscore something like 1 million to 10 this season. We didnt run a play the entire game after 1 squeeze when score was 1-0. We had blue call us out 2 times for leaving early to end innings, subbed entire lineup in 2nd inning, and did nothing to score except stand in and hit.

And I didnt put that list up for anything other than a guy trying to say we suck and dont know what we are doing. Well, we dont suck sorry.

[MTR]

A simple statement of ignorance. Apparently, the good umpires don't work your games. Is the competition that bad? The rule is SIMPLE and easily enforced and understandable for those who get it when it comes to the game.

Since you want to bring abilities into, look at the list, we are on it.

USA Today/NFCA High School Top 25 -- April 28, 2011
The USA Today/National Fastpitch Coaches Association High School Top 25 is compiled by state representatives from across the country. Records include all games played through April 24, 2011. Among the criteria considered is a school's strength of schedule, the quality of competition in its state or league, and the quality of its players.

Rank Team Record Pts Pvs
1 The Woodlands (Texas) 32-0 0 1
2 American Heritage (Florida) 21-0 0 2
3 Alexander Central (North Carolina) 17-0 0 3
4 East Lake (Florida) 25-0 0 4
5 Hudsonville (Michigan) 4-0 0 5
6 Plano (Texas) 30-3 0 6
7 Canyon del Oro (Arizona) 27-1 0 7
8 Riverdale (Tennessee) 35-2 0 8
9 Coronado (Texas) 32-0 0 9
10 Gulliver Prep (Florida) 26-2 0 11
11 Barbe (Louisiana) 25-2 0 13
12 Bartow (Florida) 24-1 0 15
13 Kaukauna (Wisconsin) 3-0 0 14
14 Bishop O'Connell (Virginia) 14-1 0 16
15 Northern (Maryland) 10-0 0 17
16 Poland Seminary (Ohio) 9-0 0 18
17 Morris Knolls (New Jersey) 11-0 0 19
18 Etiwanda (California) 17-2 0 20
19 Valencia (California) 17-3 0 10
20 Elk Grove (Illinois) 12-1 0 22
21 Frisco Wakeland (Texas) 28-3 0 23
22 Lake Norman (North Carolina) 19-1 0 25
23 Sarasota (Florida) 24-2 0 NR
24 North Davidson (North Carolina) 16-1 0 12
25 Sunrise Mountain (Arizona) 22-1 0 NR
25 Johansen (California) 16-0 0 NR

Is that good enough competition?

You're kidding, right? These are a joke, just as any self-serving HS "poll" or "ranking". Wait a minute, I heard the National Archieves just threw everything out and will just reference Wikipedia from now on! Yeah, another accurate and valid source.


You need to get over yourself. You are simply whining about not getting your way and it is everyone's fault, but yours, right? Complaining about umpires not knowing the rules or not making the right call seems to be standard. Where are the good umpires? Or are that all that bad? Funny, I've heard the umpiring is pretty good out there, so who else can be blamed?

Go sit down, coach.

[Iluvblue]

I agree with you, those rankings dont mean much, but if you are on it, you dont suck.

There are plenty of good umps (the ump that blew the call today is very good IMO), and I wasnt even involved in the original post. But for any ump to defend the original call(in this thread) is typical. Just admit he screwed up.... especially after he put the kid back to 2nd base. But you just cant do it, you just cant say he screwed up. The guy could have said you get 4 strikes and you would still try to justify what he did.

Hell, even those cops stood up and said that buffoon that went off on some teenage skateboarder was in the right..... after he was fired by the chief.

[sftblldud]

A simple statement of ignorance. Apparently, the good umpires don't work your games. Is the competition that bad? The rule is SIMPLE and easily enforced and understandable for those who get it when it comes to the game.

Since you want to bring abilities into, look at the list, we are on it.

USA Today/NFCA High School Top 25 -- April 28, 2011
The USA Today/National Fastpitch Coaches Association High School Top 25 is compiled by state representatives from across the country. Records include all games played through April 24, 2011. Among the criteria considered is a school's strength of schedule, the quality of competition in its state or league, and the quality of its players.

Rank Team Record Pts Pvs
1 The Woodlands (Texas) 32-0 0 1
2 American Heritage (Florida) 21-0 0 2
3 Alexander Central (North Carolina) 17-0 0 3
4 East Lake (Florida) 25-0 0 4
5 Hudsonville (Michigan) 4-0 0 5
6 Plano (Texas) 30-3 0 6
7 Canyon del Oro (Arizona) 27-1 0 7
8 Riverdale (Tennessee) 35-2 0 8
9 Coronado (Texas) 32-0 0 9
10 Gulliver Prep (Florida) 26-2 0 11
11 Barbe (Louisiana) 25-2 0 13
12 Bartow (Florida) 24-1 0 15
13 Kaukauna (Wisconsin) 3-0 0 14
14 Bishop O'Connell (Virginia) 14-1 0 16
15 Northern (Maryland) 10-0 0 17
16 Poland Seminary (Ohio) 9-0 0 18
17 Morris Knolls (New Jersey) 11-0 0 19
18 Etiwanda (California) 17-2 0 20
19 Valencia (California) 17-3 0 10
20 Elk Grove (Illinois) 12-1 0 22
21 Frisco Wakeland (Texas) 28-3 0 23
22 Lake Norman (North Carolina) 19-1 0 25
23 Sarasota (Florida) 24-2 0 NR
24 North Davidson (North Carolina) 16-1 0 12
25 Sunrise Mountain (Arizona) 22-1 0 NR
25 Johansen (California) 16-0 0 NR

Is that good enough competition?

You're kidding, right? These are a joke, just as any self-serving HS "poll" or "ranking". Wait a minute, I heard the National Archieves just threw everything out and will just reference Wikipedia from now on! Yeah, another accurate and valid source.


You need to get over yourself. You are simply whining about not getting your way and it is everyone's fault, but yours, right? Complaining about umpires not knowing the rules or not making the right call seems to be standard. Where are the good umpires? Or are that all that bad? Funny, I've heard the umpiring is pretty good out there, so who else can be blamed?

Go sit down, coach.

16-0 in California and only ranked 25th, WOW!!!! Pitching will be your downfall!!! Plenty of good hitters for HS may get you far in Sections, but Pitching is skeptical.

You think your HS team can beat the Grapes(Gomes)... Toss a coin, uh.

[anonlooker]

onlooker, you have no clue.

Notice Beyer beat Downey 20-0 also. That team has been outscore something like 1 million to 10 this season. We didnt run a play the entire game after 1 squeeze when score was 1-0. We had blue call us out 2 times for leaving early to end innings, subbed entire lineup in 2nd inning, and did nothing to score except stand in and hit.

And I didnt put that list up for anything other than a guy trying to say we suck and dont know what we are doing. Well, we dont suck sorry.

You "had blue call you out 2 times for leaving early"... to end the 3rd, when you were up by how many, 30?? And the fourth, maybe, after you scored how many more? Yea, classy move, dude.

[tcannizzo]

onlooker, you have no clue.

Yea, classy move, dude.

Dont' call me DUDE, Dude!!!!!!!

[Iluvblue]

get back to the original point of this thread (it wasnt about me or who I coach). Do some simple math. It takes an AVERAGE runner between 12.5-13 seconds to go from home to home. Roughly 3.2 secs per base ( not exactly since h-1st is slowest) so if that runner gets knocked down, it easily takes 3-4 seconds off her time since she needs to get back up and start from 0 running again. So if she has already crossed 2nd base before the ball is in the 3rd basemans hand, she would have already been passed 3rd by then.

It isnt hard to do, so if she was ANYWHERE within breathing distance of third base, she would have been safe EASILY if she had not been obstructed.