Re-entry

[FastpitchFan08]

What's the penalty for an illegal substitution? B1 hits a single and is replaced by a pinch runner. Later in the game B1 bats again without being re-entered. After she walks, coach brings it to the umps attention. Ump calls batter out and ejects her as an illegal substitution. Coach protests that while the batter should be called out, she should not be ejected. ASA please.

[Comp]

As long as B1 still had a legal re-entry, it was not an illegal substitution, it was just an unreported substitution. If she still had her re-entry, it would be an out, B1 now re-entered into the lineup.

[SnocatzDad]

As long as B1 still had a legal re-entry, it was not an illegal substitution, it was just an unreported substitution. If she still had her re-entry, it would be an out, B1 now re-entered into the lineup.

True for NFHS but i think per ASA 4.6.b Unreported treated same as illegal player which means it's an out and B1 is disqualified and no longer an elligible sub

[Comp]

4-6-B Effect: Upon being properly protested, the player will now be officially in the game, and subject to penalties as appropriate and listed in 4-6-C.

4-6-C-3: When they bat and complete a turn at bat and are discovered:
a: BEFORE the next pitch, legal or illegal
b: Before the defense has left the field
c: Before the umpires have left the field
Effect: All runners will return to the last base occupied prior to the batted ball. The unreported substitute is officially in the game and called out. All other outs that occur on this play stand.



As long as the player was a legal substitute, they are not treated as in illegal substitute.

[PDad]

As long as B1 still had a legal re-entry, it was not an illegal substitution, it was just an unreported substitution. If she still had her re-entry, it would be an out, B1 now re-entered into the lineup.

True for NFHS but i think per ASA 4.6.b Unreported treated same as illegal player which means it's an out and B1 is disqualified and no longer an elligible sub

For NFHS, it is a warning the first time and restriction to the dugout for subsequent offenders and the coach.

[Bretman]

First things first...maybe this player really was an illegal substitute. The OP isn't clear that she wasn't. But if she was actually an unreported sub, then that's another kettle of fish.

- An illegal sub and and unreported sub are two completely different things covered by different rules.

- As noted, different sanctioning bodies treat these violations differently- which just adds to the confusion.

- ASA dropped the disqualification penalty for an unreported sub several years ago. An unreported sub on offense is called out, but they remain in the game.

- To answer your question "What is the penalty for an illegal substitution?"...batter would be called out and ejected.

[FastpitchFan08]

First things first...maybe this player really was an illegal substitute. The OP isn't clear that she wasn't. But if she was actually an unreported sub, then that's another kettle of fish.

- An illegal sub and and unreported sub are two completely different things covered by different rules.

- As noted, different sanctioning bodies treat these violations differently- which just adds to the confusion.

- ASA dropped the disqualification penalty for an unreported sub several years ago. An unreported sub on offense is called out, but they remain in the game.

- To answer your question "What is the penalty for an illegal substitution?"...batter would be called out and ejected.

R1 would have been eligible to re-enter if properly reported. I assume that is what would make her an unreported sub as opposed to an illegal sub?

[Comp]

As long as that player was legally able to be substituted into that position, it is nothing more than an unreported substitution.

Now, if for some reason that same player did not have a re-entry available, or was being inserted into a different spot in the batting order, now you have an illegal substitution.

[Bretman]

R1 would have been eligible to re-enter if properly reported. I assume that is what would make her an unreported sub as opposed to an illegal sub?

In that case...proper call should have been: Batter out, batter is now officially in the game, play on without further penalty.

[SnocatzDad]

- ASA dropped the disqualification penalty for an unreported sub several years ago. An unreported sub on offense is called out, but they remain in the game.

Thanks Bret. I was citing a 2008 ASA rule book, didn't realize that was one of the updates.