Catch and carry

[SoCalASABlue]

Situation - throw from 1B to 3B to try to get R1. Ball gets away from 3B and begins to roll toward dugout opening. 3B grabs ball (WHICH NEVER WENT INTO THE DUGOUT), turns back toward 3B and her foot crosses the dugout boundary. PU awards R1 home. Legitimate call or rules misinterpretation?

[Bretman]

Good call. When the fielder had possession of the ball and stepped into a dead ball area, the ball became dead. Since this was unintentional, the runner is awarded one base.

[ajaywill]

Situation - throw from 1B to 3B to try to get R1. Ball gets away from 3B and begins to roll toward dugout opening. 3B grabs ball (WHICH NEVER WENT INTO THE DUGOUT), turns back toward 3B and her foot crosses the dugout boundary. PU awards R1 home. Legitimate call or rules misinterpretation?

If F5's entire foot crossed the dugout boundary, good call.

ASA 8-5-J is the reference.

A player is considered in the field of play if one foot is touching the out of play boundary line.

[SoCalASABlue]

Situation - throw from 1B to 3B to try to get R1. Ball gets away from 3B and begins to roll toward dugout opening. 3B grabs ball (WHICH NEVER WENT INTO THE DUGOUT), turns back toward 3B and her foot crosses the dugout boundary. PU awards R1 home. Legitimate call or rules misinterpretation?

If F5's entire foot crossed the dugout boundary, good call.

ASA 8-5-J is the reference.

A player is considered in the field of play if one foot is touching the out of play boundary line.

In reading the rule citation - and understanding that the ball NEVER left the field of play - I believe the call was bad and if I had been the PU I would not have made the call - which is obviously easy to say from my armchair . Rule 8-5-J states "When a live ball is unintentionally carried by a fielder from live ball territory..." F5 grabbed the ball off the ground in live ball territory, turned her body toward 3B, and her right foot slid to the entrance of the dugout.

Good discussion I suppose. But this would certainly be the first time since I've been an umpire that the status of the ball was (IMHO) ignored and instead the call was made based on the status of the side of F5's foot.

Thanks for the info.

[EzOut.EzOut]

What if she was catching a ball going over a fence (marking the boundaries of the field)? Would her feet matter, then?

[SoCalASABlue]

What if she was catching a ball going over a fence (marking the boundaries of the field)? Would her feet matter, then?

Rules Supplement 20 states "When a player catches the ball before they touch the ground outside the playing area, the catch is legal..."

It also states that the fence is an extension of the playing area. The fielder is allowed to climb the fence, even stand on the fence, to make the catch.

The catch is legal, the BR is out, the ball is dead, and with fewer than two outs all runners are advanced one base without liability to be put out.

[tcannizzo]

It also states that the fence is an extension of the playing area. The fielder is allowed to climb the fence, even stand on the fence, to make the catch.

One step further, if the fence falls down (commonly with temporary fencing) and the fielder is standing on the fence, the ball is still in play.

[MTR]

What if she was catching a ball going over a fence (marking the boundaries of the field)? Would her feet matter, then?

Rules Supplement 20 states "When a player catches the ball before they touch the ground outside the playing area, the catch is legal..."

It also states that the fence is an extension of the playing area. The fielder is allowed to climb the fence, even stand on the fence, to make the catch.

The catch is legal, the BR is out, the ball is dead, and with fewer than two outs all runners are advanced one base without liability to be put out.

Not talking about a catch. A player in possession of the ball enters or make contact with DBT makes the ball dead and all runners are awarded on base from the last base at the time the defender enters DBT.

[HugoTafurst]

It also states that the fence is an extension of the playing area. The fielder is allowed to climb the fence, even stand on the fence, to make the catch.

One step further, if the fence falls down (commonly with temporary fencing) and the fielder is standing on the fence, the ball is still in play.

Because many readers work different organizations:
NFHS has the ball dead IF the fence is has fallen and is horizontal (laying down) on the ground.

[HugoTafurst]

Situation - throw from 1B to 3B to try to get R1. Ball gets away from 3B and begins to roll toward dugout opening. 3B grabs ball (WHICH NEVER WENT INTO THE DUGOUT), turns back toward 3B and her foot crosses the dugout boundary. PU awards R1 home. Legitimate call or rules misinterpretation?

If F5's entire foot crossed the dugout boundary, good call.

ASA 8-5-J is the reference.

A player is considered in the field of play if one foot is touching the out of play boundary line.

In reading the rule citation - and understanding that the ball NEVER left the field of play - I believe the call was bad and if I had been the PU I would not have made the call - which is obviously easy to say from my armchair . Rule 8-5-J states "When a live ball is unintentionally carried by a fielder from live ball territory..." F5 grabbed the ball off the ground in live ball territory, turned her body toward 3B, and her right foot slid to the entrance of the dugout.

Good discussion I suppose. But this would certainly be the first time since I've been an umpire that the status of the ball was (IMHO) ignored and instead the call was made based on the status of the side of F5's foot.

Thanks for the info.

Are you kidding? the status of a ball (as it relates to dead ball area) in a fielder's possession (as well as the legitimacy of a catch is always determined by the fielder, not the position of the ball (as in fair/foul determination).
Are you saying a fielder can not reach over a fence and make a legal catch because the ball is in over dead ball territory?