Based loaded batter gets hit by pitch

[UmpSteve]

This happened in a MLB game the other night. Padres vs. Diamonbacks. By MLB rules the only runner that matters is the one crossing the plate because as soon as the run scores the game is over.

MLB has a special dispensation in cases where the run is forced home by an awarded base (HBP or walk). In all other cases, where the run may have crossed on a batted ball, the appealed third (or even fourth, in special cases) being a force out would keep the run from scoring.

[Bretman]

This happened in a MLB game the other night. Padres vs. Diamonbacks. By MLB rules the only runner that matters is the one crossing the plate because as soon as the run scores the game is over.

As noted, baseball does have a different ruling.

Plus, what you have posted is not exactly true. One other runner does matter- the batter-runner. He still has to touch first base.

[blue76]

Just curious.... What if the batter had been incapacitated? She was unable to reach first...

Is she now the third out?

[Crabby_Bob]

Just curious.... What if the batter had been incapacitated? She was unable to reach first...

Is she now the third out?

Put in a legal substitute to do the base running duties.

[thor2173]

doesn't she have to get to first before you can sub?

[MTR]

doesn't she have to get to first before you can sub?

No, not if the runner becomes incapacitated prior to reaching 1B

[AlwaysImprove]

I never understood why the Central Washington kids carried Sara Tucholsky around the field. I mean it made a fantastic story, but could they have subed for her?

[Comp]

I never understood why the Central Washington kids carried Sara Tucholsky around the field. I mean it made a fantastic story, but could they have subed for her?

If I recall the story correctly, after the fact and researching the rules, yes I believe they could have substituted for her to complete the base running, but, at the time the umpires ruled she could not be subbed for. I believe they were also asked if her own teammates could assist her and they were told no. That is when the Washington players asked what if they helped her run the bases. The umpires then ruled there was nothing in the rules preventing the defense from assisting the offense.

[MTR]

I never understood why the Central Washington kids carried Sara Tucholsky around the field. I mean it made a fantastic story, but could they have subed for her?

If I recall the story correctly, after the fact and researching the rules, yes I believe they could have substituted for her to complete the base running, but, at the time the umpires ruled she could not be subbed for. I believe they were also asked if her own teammates could assist her and they were told no. That is when the Washington players asked what if they helped her run the bases. The umpires then ruled there was nothing in the rules preventing the defense from assisting the offense.

From what I recall, the idea of a sub wasn't raised, they were just told by the umpires that her teammates could not help her, so here non-teammates did.

The umpires SHOULD have taken a pro-active approach and asked for a substitute.

[shockcoach]

I never understood why the Central Washington kids carried Sara Tucholsky around the field. I mean it made a fantastic story, but could they have subed for her?

If I recall the story correctly, after the fact and researching the rules, yes I believe they could have substituted for her to complete the base running, but, at the time the umpires ruled she could not be subbed for. I believe they were also asked if her own teammates could assist her and they were told no. That is when the Washington players asked what if they helped her run the bases. The umpires then ruled there was nothing in the rules preventing the defense from assisting the offense.

From what I recall, the idea of a sub wasn't raised, they were just told by the umpires that her teammates could not help her, so here non-teammates did.

The umpires SHOULD have taken a pro-active approach and asked for a substitute.

The umpires had it wrong.
From the story on ESPN http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/columns/ ... id=3372631

Umpires confirmed that the only option available under the rules was to replace Tucholsky at first base with a pinch runner and have the hit recorded as a two-run single instead of a three-run home run. Any assistance from coaches or trainers while she was an active runner would result in an out. So without any choice, Knox prepared to make the substitution, taking both the run and the memory from Tucholsky.