Batter Our or Not

[Anti-Clone]

Once the batter has a foot outside of the batter's box after making contact with the ball, the batter is considered to be outside of the batter's box. If the ball contacts the batter in fair territory, the batter is out.

[LeftyHitter]

MTR,
Just to clarify, you're saying that the batted ball didn't hit the batter, but the batter-runner ran into the ball, so if it's in fair territory, the batter-runner is out. This would be true even if both feet are still in the batter's box, correct?

[MTR]

MTR,
Just to clarify, you're saying that the batted ball didn't hit the batter, but the batter-runner ran into the ball, so if it's in fair territory, the batter-runner is out. This would be true even if both feet are still in the batter's box, correct?

A ball off the bat that hits the batter right off the bat or a quick rebound doesn't give the batter an opportunity to recover from their swing, or much of an opportunity to gain fair/foul status.

However, a ball over fair territory where the BR has started to advance to 1B, IMO meets the parameters of 8.2.F.4.

[AlwaysImprove]

MTR,
Just to clarify, you're saying that the batted ball didn't hit the batter, but the batter-runner ran into the ball, so if it's in fair territory, the batter-runner is out. This would be true even if both feet are still in the batter's box, correct?

A ball off the bat that hits the batter right off the bat or a quick rebound doesn't give the batter an opportunity to recover from their swing, or much of an opportunity to gain fair/foul status.

However, a ball over fair territory where the BR has started to advance to 1B, IMO meets the parameters of 8.2.F.4.

Applying 8.2.f.4 like this seems to mean that if both feet are in the box it can be an out. I always see this called a foul ball, and foul ball seems correct.

[freetacos]

Ok been a while since my ump days but...

Wouldn't that be a dead ball instead of a foul ball?

ft

[Anti-Clone]

Ok been a while since my ump days but...

Wouldn't that be a dead ball instead of a foul ball?

ft

Yes. The ball would be ruled "dead" as a result of the conduct. Calling "foul" could lead to confusion, especially because that is the term generally used when there won't be an out declared.

[MTR]

Ok been a while since my ump days but...

Wouldn't that be a dead ball instead of a foul ball?

ft

Yes. The ball would be ruled "dead" as a result of the conduct. Calling "foul" could lead to confusion, especially because that is the term generally used when there won't be an out declared.

It would be a dead ball if INT was ruled.

If you insist it is not INT, I don't think you have a choice. You must accept it as "foul" since what you are stating happens is defined as a foul ball.

[AlwaysImprove]

A follow up question. Is it clear when a batter becomes a batter-runner? Is it after the ball leaves the bat? Could also be when she leaves the batters box. Is that when the first foot touches out of the box?

[Comp]

ASA Definitions. Batter/runner. a batter who has completed a turn at bat but has not yet been put out or reached 1st base.

[AlwaysImprove]

ASA Definitions. Batter/runner. a batter who has completed a turn at bat but has not yet been put out or reached 1st base.

Unfortunately that does not seem like enough. You need to know when you can apply 8.2.F.4 to this person. If both feet are in the box, no one applies 8.2.F.4, they declare foul ball. If both feet are out of the box everyone applies 8.2.F.4 and calls the runner out. Somewhere between that person transitioned from 'Batter' to 'Batter-Runner'. Can we say when that happens?