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by ScubaGuy » Thu Mar 07, 2013 8:41 am

Situation: Runners 1st and 3rd 1 out.
Batter hits ball close to foul line (but fair) runs to first, touches first, then retreats back to the dugout to retrieve her bat. She states she thought it was foul. Offencive coach says nothing defensive coach argues first she left the field of play by crossig over the 3rd base foul line. Then the defensive coach argues if the first is not true then batter should have been out with hesitation.
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by Makina » Thu Mar 07, 2013 9:19 am

R1 scores, R3 is out dead ball called 4 leaving base early, if she touched 1B. and R2 returned to 2B.

R1 scores, oif she just ran back to get bat with out touching 1B then live ball n out when pitcher throws to 1st and R 2 is safe at 3b.
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by ScubaGuy » Thu Mar 07, 2013 9:34 am

I will post later what the umpires ruled and how it played out later but I forgot to mention this is California High School Varsity so NCOA (I believe) rules.
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by Comp » Thu Mar 07, 2013 10:21 am

Makina wrote:R1 scores, R3 is out dead ball called 4 leaving base early, if she touched 1B. and R2 returned to 2B.

R1 scores, oif she just ran back to get bat with out touching 1B then live ball n out when pitcher throws to 1st and R 2 is safe at 3b.


How can she be called out for leaving early when the ball wasnt even back in the circle yet and she was almost back to home plate?

I see a safe call by the base umpire.
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by GIMNEPIWO » Thu Mar 07, 2013 10:58 am

The BR has not left the field of play until she is in the dugout ... She made no move towards second base that could be seen on the video ... If she had touched first base when she passed it the first time or second time then there is no live ball appeal in the works ... R1 scores, R2 at third the BR safe at first ...

* Unless ... 8-3-6 ?
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by MTR » Thu Mar 07, 2013 11:04 am

GIMNEPIWO wrote:The BR has not left the field of play until she is in the dugout ... She made no move towards second base that could be seen on the video ... If she had touched first base when she passed it the first time or second time then there is no live ball appeal in the works ... R1 scores, R2 at third the BR safe at first ...


I agree. Only thing that could possibly be different is if they tagged the former BR off the base.
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by Bretman » Thu Mar 07, 2013 11:09 am

The defensive coach's first argument is without merit. The "third base line" has zero bearing on an abandoning the bases call. A runner is out if she abandons her effort to run the bsaes AND enters dead ball territory. This runner (apparently) did not leave live ball area. (She does go off-camera for a second, but apparently not long enough to have entered dead ball area).

The coach's second argument is equally groundless. If by "hesitation" he meant "the look back rule" (this hasn't been called the hesitation rule for about 25 years), then this runner does not seem to have violated that rule. After the pitcher finally gets the ball back in the circle, the runner turns and heads right toward first base. She is allowed to stop and reverse direction one time when the look back rule is in effect.

Barring some off-camera details we can't see (like the runner getting tagged near first base before getting back on the bag)...everybody's safe and all runner advances stand.
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by tvarg » Thu Mar 07, 2013 2:09 pm

ScubaGuy wrote:Situation: Runners 1st and 3rd 1 out.
Batter hits ball close to foul line (but fair) runs to first, touches first, then retreats back to the dugout to retrieve her bat. She states she thought it was foul. Offencive coach says nothing defensive coach argues first she left the field of play by crossig over the 3rd base foul line. Then the defensive coach argues if the first is not true then batter should have been out with hesitation.
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R they any coaches on this team sounds like coaches r sleeping on the job this all could have been avoided if first base coach was doing his or her job
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by Anti-Clone » Thu Mar 07, 2013 5:07 pm

It depends on the rule set. In NCAA, the batter-runner is out for abandoning her base. Rule 12.12.5
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by GIMNEPIWO » Thu Mar 07, 2013 5:34 pm

tvarg wrote:
ScubaGuy wrote:Situation: Runners 1st and 3rd 1 out.
Batter hits ball close to foul line (but fair) runs to first, touches first, then retreats back to the dugout to retrieve her bat. She states she thought it was foul. Offencive coach says nothing defensive coach argues first she left the field of play by crossig over the 3rd base foul line. Then the defensive coach argues if the first is not true then batter should have been out with hesitation.
YOU MAKE THE CALL

http://youtu.be/M-JoHYxTG7Y

R they any coaches on this team sounds like coaches r sleeping on the job this all could have been avoided if first base coach was doing his or her job


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