Comp wrote:Trying to find it but havent been able to locate it yet. Im pretty sure I have seen an ASA rules clarification on this and completely different ruling. If Im not mistaken, the ASA clarification was once it is obvious the defense is not going to play on the runner, dead ball, return the runner to the proper base. Always love when 2 rule sets come up with completely different rulings on the same thing.
ASA: Case play PLAY 10.1-1 With R1 on 2B, R2 on 1B, B3 hits the ball to F6. R1 holds up as R2 advances to 2B. F6 throws out B3 at 1B and both runners remain on 2B. The defense does not notice and the ball is thrown to F1. No further play is apparent. RULING: The umpire should call “time” and place R2 back on 1B. (8-3E; 10-1)
It is opposite as you remembered. Now, for the $64 question, if in the ASA case play F6 had thrown out R1 at 3rd and the ball is returned to the pitcher in the circle and no further play is apparent but we have two runners standing at 1st, are we advancing R2 to 2nd? It would seem so.
I understand both philosophies. In ASA, we're not going to be allowed to violate 8.3.E prior to the next pitch but the defense doesn't get credit for an out for doing nothing. In NFHS, the resolution to two runners standing on one base with the ball in the pitcher's possession and in the circle must be a look-back violation.