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The Crow Hop

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by Comp » Fri Apr 05, 2013 9:34 pm

That picture is not proof any violation has occured. And, if she drug her foot to that point, by the rules clarifications that have come out in the last year she would be legal.
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by shagpal » Tue Aug 27, 2013 4:01 pm

The ASA coined a new name for it. They dubbed it...the "crow drag"
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by sweetump » Sun Sep 22, 2013 9:56 pm

If she drag her foot in one continuous motion, and the arm does not pause,u she is legal. If her arm stops anywhere from 10 o'clock on and her body make a second effort to move forward, she is creating a second push point which in considered a crow hop.

If she is dragging and there is a hole in front of the mound
, she must keep her toes below or even with the plane of the ground.

All associations say the the foot must remain in contact with the ground until the pitch is delivered.

Only in men's fast pitch does it say that they can leap as long as the toe is pointing down.
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by MTR » Mon Sep 23, 2013 5:37 am

sweetump wrote:If she drag her foot in one continuous motion, and the arm does not pause,u she is legal. If her arm stops anywhere from 10 o'clock on and her body make a second effort to move forward, she is creating a second push point which in considered a crow hop.

If she is dragging and there is a hole in front of the mound
, she must keep her toes below or even with the plane of the ground.

All associations say the the foot must remain in contact with the ground until the pitch is delivered.

Only in men's fast pitch does it say that they can leap as long as the toe is pointing down.
:lol: :o



Take the bold section out of the equation, has no bearing on the rule or application
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by GIMNEPIWO » Mon Sep 23, 2013 5:52 am

MTR wrote:
sweetump wrote:If she drag her foot in one continuous motion, and the arm does not pause,u she is legal. If her arm stops anywhere from 10 o'clock on and her body make a second effort to move forward, she is creating a second push point which in considered a crow hop.

If she is dragging and there is a hole in front of the mound
, she must keep her toes below or even with the plane of the ground.

All associations say the the foot must remain in contact with the ground until the pitch is delivered.

Only in men's fast pitch does it say that they can leap as long as the toe is pointing down.
:lol: :o



Take the bold section out of the equation, has no bearing on the rule or application


And the red section, since there is no mound in softball.
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by Anti-Clone » Tue Sep 24, 2013 4:58 am

Why do people insist that the past tense of DRAG is DRUG?

It's DRAG, DRAGS, DRAGGED, DRAGGING.

To say that she "drug her foot" means that she ingested a controlled substance.
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by GIMNEPIWO » Tue Sep 24, 2013 8:32 am

Anti-Clone wrote:Why do people insist that the past tense of DRAG is DRUG?

It's DRAG, DRAGS, DRAGGED, DRAGGING.

To say that she "drug her foot" means that she ingested a controlled substance.


No, that would be "she drugged her foot" ;)
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by Nicelag » Fri Sep 27, 2013 11:35 pm

I see this a lot with the younger rec girls and it fries me that they do not call this or the traditional "crow hops" until all stars. An illegal pitch is an illegal pitch and should be called so the pitchers can learn to fix the problem. We shouldn't hear "they didn't call that all season why are you calling it now?" With that being said it is also an unfair advantage as they are much closer to the plate at release.

As far as this pic goes I saw it in a pitcher just last week. The assumption to me is that she is going to replant. So if she replants there will essentially be (2) drags correct? The intial, which is what you see in the picture, then the drag foot would momentarily stop, plant and then push to a second drag. That would be illegal and should be fairly easy to see if that is happenning by watching the dust or dirt. However, if her feet stop and she throws from there, without another push, then I do not see a violation.
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