Hit by Pitch

[jonriv]

Just curious

Was watching a college game this weekend. Slapper got hit by a pitch(upper thigh) but was way out in front and out of the batters box. She was awarded the base- was that right?

[topper]

Not right. When a batter is hit out in front of the batter's box, it's a no pitch under NCAA rules.

[jonriv]

Not right. When a batter is hit out in front of the batter's box, it's a no pitch under NCAA rules.

That 's what we though(pitcher's dad had a photo of girl getting hit) Real BOZO ump. Had a very high strike zone(great for our rise ball pitcher)- appeared to be trapezoid in shape. Really confused batters on both sides.. Next game he covered the bases(appeared to have a bad back and could not bend- probably explains the high zone) Was very dissapointed in the lack of quality umps in Conference Championship Games

[hogtyed]

I have been noticing many NCAA slappers with their front foot completely out in front of the box when making contact with the ball, as well.

[topper]

I have been noticing many NCAA slappers with their front foot completely out in front of the box when making contact with the ball, as well.

When watching it live, could you judge whether the pitch was a ball or a strike while seeing the foot out of the front of the box? Just curious.

[UmpSteve]

I have been noticing many NCAA slappers with their front foot completely out in front of the box when making contact with the ball, as well.

When watching it live, could you judge whether the pitch was a ball or a strike while seeing the foot out of the front of the box? Just curious.

And aside from judging if a ball or strike at the plane of the pitch, simultaneously judging if 1) the pitcher's foot landed on or outside the 24" line, and a different plane, and if 3) that foot that you see out of the front of the box is on the ground or in the air at the exact moment of contact, on a third plane, and 4) if the slapper made a swing or held up to tap the ball, watching the bat and arm movement at the same instant. That is, if 5) the umpire doesn't have to also judge if the ball hit the bat or the batter, and if 6) the batter's movement didn't move her into the pitch.

In the meantime, the tv talking heads have watched 3 slow motion replays of a pitch, then show a simulation of a computer generated grid to say the umpire missed and called a strike on a pitch 1/4" off the plate.

Reality check, people. From the beginning of slaphitting, batters have been out the front of the box. Smart pitchers and pitch callers use changes of speed to throw them off their rhythm and timing. Coaches and parents that can't, and spend their energy whining to the umpire, instead, end up with a distracted umpire.

If you want to even dream of any semblence of a consistent and accurate strike zone from the plate umpire, STFU about the secondary issues that only distract the umpire from focusing on the most important part of the job.

[ontheblack]

Reality check, people. From the beginning of slaphitting, batters have been out the front of the box. Smart pitchers and pitch callers use changes of speed to throw them off their rhythm and timing. Coaches and parents that can't, and spend their energy whining to the umpire, instead, end up with a distracted umpire.

If you want to even dream of any semblence of a consistent and accurate strike zone from the plate umpire, STFU about the secondary issues that only distract the umpire from focusing on the most important part of the job.

well said.

[jonriv]

[quote]Reality check, people. From the beginning of slaphitting, batters have been out the front of the box. Smart pitchers and pitch callers use changes of speed to throw them off their rhythm and timing. Coaches and parents that can't, and spend their energy whining to the umpire, instead, end up with a distracted umpire./quote]


The situation I spoke of was a change up that stuck a little in the pitchers hand. Batter was fully out of the box(fooled by the pitch) when the ball hit her

[hogtyed]

I have been noticing many NCAA slappers with their front foot completely out in front of the box when making contact with the ball, as well.

When watching it live, could you judge whether the pitch was a ball or a strike while seeing the foot out of the front of the box? Just curious.

I noticed it while live. Confirmed it upon replay. I've been behind the plate, too, and know the difficulties. There are times you notice something, but can't quite call it for sure. Then you pay attention and watch for it. BINGO!

[hogtyed]

I have been noticing many NCAA slappers with their front foot completely out in front of the box when making contact with the ball, as well.

When watching it live, could you judge whether the pitch was a ball or a strike while seeing the foot out of the front of the box? Just curious.

And aside from judging if a ball or strike at the plane of the pitch, simultaneously judging if 1) the pitcher's foot landed on or outside the 24" line, and a different plane, and if 3) that foot that you see out of the front of the box is on the ground or in the air at the exact moment of contact, on a third plane, and 4) if the slapper made a swing or held up to tap the ball, watching the bat and arm movement at the same instant. That is, if 5) the umpire doesn't have to also judge if the ball hit the bat or the batter, and if 6) the batter's movement didn't move her into the pitch.

In the meantime, the tv talking heads have watched 3 slow motion replays of a pitch, then show a simulation of a computer generated grid to say the umpire missed and called a strike on a pitch 1/4" off the plate.

Reality check, people. From the beginning of slaphitting, batters have been out the front of the box. Smart pitchers and pitch callers use changes of speed to throw them off their rhythm and timing. Coaches and parents that can't, and spend their energy whining to the umpire, instead, end up with a distracted umpire.

If you want to even dream of any semblence of a consistent and accurate strike zone from the plate umpire, STFU about the secondary issues that only distract the umpire from focusing on the most important part of the job.

Got a bur in your bonnet, UmpSteve? You can do both behind the plate. I know you can. If not, maybe you should look for another hobby. As an umpire you should know when a slapper makes contact you look where their foot is. Besides, when the ball is contacted, we don't need the umpire to call a ball or strike. That part is obvious.