Hit By Pitch and the college game

[GIMNEPIWO]

How wide is the chalk line?

Cant find it in the ASA book at the moment, FED suggests it be 2 1/2". But, it doesnt matter how wide the chalk line is. The edge of the batters box is suppose to be 6" away from the edge of the plate. If the ball is 6" away from the edge of the plate, it is entirely within the batters box.

Absolutely, and since the discussion is on the hit batter, that would mean the contact with the batter would have to be 10" away from the plate to qualify for the automatic award of the base which I believe was where this thread started.

This is HeyBucket - it doesn't matter where the thread started.

What matters is what you quoted and that was ball position relative to the plate - especially AC's notion that a pitcher has to miss by 10+ inches. Nice try on changing it to batter's position after the fact.

As long as the bus is going to East Bizzaroville ... Why would the part of the ball that hits the batter have to be 10 inches from the plate as you describe to qualify for an automatic award ? Is that the part of the ball that always hits the batter ? On a pitch right on the inside limits of the batters box, most likely so but not neccessarily.

AC also stated "Only a fool would argue that by throwing a pitch more than 10 inches from the strike zone + hitting the batter = ... A ball that is 10 inches from the strike zone is now 14 inches from the plate ... or is that 18 inches in Bizzarroville ?

[MTR]

The rule change only applies to HS and NCAA correct?

NFHS & NCAA, yes. Not all high schools use NFHS rules

As long as the bus is going to East Bizzaroville ... Why would the part of the ball that hits the batter have to be 10 inches from the plate as you describe to qualify for an automatic award ? Is that the part of the ball that always hits the batter ? On a pitch right on the inside limits of the batters box, most likely so but not neccessarily.

Let's try a visualization since the math isn't working.

NCAA Rule:[/b]
[b]11.16 Hit Batter (by Pitch)
11.16.1 A batter is awarded first base when a pitched ball is entirely within the batter’s box and it strikes the batter or her clothing. No attempt to avoid being hit by the pitch is required however the batter may not obviously try to get hit by the pitch (See Rule 11.16.3.1).

If a pitch hits the batter 8" from the plate, it is possible the entire ball was not in the BB. However, if the batter is hit 10" or more away from the inside edge of the plate, there is no doubt that the entire ball was inside the BB since the ball (a little less than 4" wide) would have to be a minimum of 6" off the plate where the inside edge of the BB begins.

Hope that helps. Wouldn't want you stuck in Biz'ville too long to miss the end of the NCAA DivI Softball Championships.

[PDad]

The rule change only applies to HS and NCAA correct?

NFHS & NCAA, yes. Not all high schools use NFHS rules

So how does that rule change relate to your rant on the expansion of travel ball? You can't seriously be saying that has "reduced the average level of ability to play the game with some level of talent" in HS and NCAA.

[GIMNEPIWO]

The rule change only applies to HS and NCAA correct?

NFHS & NCAA, yes. Not all high schools use NFHS rules

As long as the bus is going to East Bizzaroville ... Why would the part of the ball that hits the batter have to be 10 inches from the plate as you describe to qualify for an automatic award ? Is that the part of the ball that always hits the batter ? On a pitch right on the inside limits of the batters box, most likely so but not neccessarily.

Let's try a visualization since the math isn't working.

NCAA Rule:[/b]
[b]11.16 Hit Batter (by Pitch)
11.16.1 A batter is awarded first base when a pitched ball is entirely within the batter’s box and it strikes the batter or her clothing. No attempt to avoid being hit by the pitch is required however the batter may not obviously try to get hit by the pitch (See Rule 11.16.3.1).

If a pitch hits the batter 8" from the plate, it is possible the entire ball was not in the BB. However, if the batter is hit 10" or more away from the inside edge of the plate, there is no doubt that the entire ball was inside the BB since the ball (a little less than 4" wide) would have to be a minimum of 6" off the plate where the inside edge of the BB begins.

Hope that helps. Wouldn't want you stuck in Biz'ville too long to miss the end of the NCAA DivI Softball Championships.

Okay ... Please explain why people in East Bizzarroville are measuring to the opposite side of the ball when you are measuring how far the ball is away from the plate, strike zone or anything in the world ? Do you measure how far your butt is from the comode by the location of the newspaper ?

[ontheblack]

The rule change only applies to HS and NCAA correct?

NFHS & NCAA, yes. Not all high schools use NFHS rules

So how does that rule change relate to your rant on the expansion of travel ball? You can't seriously be saying that has "reduced the average level of ability to play the game with some level of talent" in HS and NCAA.

Thats what Im wondering as well.

[MTR]

This is why you don't give rule clinics on the field, because people pick on one thing that is irrelevant to the discussion and carry on a straw man argument.

The discussion is being hit by a pitch inside the batter's box. I'm noting where the 10" comes into play. Don't like it, fine, ignore it.

I understand why it is part of the discussion, cannot help it if you rather sit and pick on a simple statement instead of discussion the topic at hand.

[GIMNEPIWO]

This is why you don't give rule clinics on the field, because people pick on one thing that is irrelevant to the discussion and carry on a straw man argument.

The discussion is being hit by a pitch inside the batter's box. I'm noting where the 10" comes into play. Don't like it, fine, ignore it.

I understand why it is part of the discussion, cannot help it if you rather sit and pick on a simple statement instead of discussion the topic at hand.

This is just a discussion ... nothing more, nothing less .. You give your point of view, others give theirs ... But your math is flawed ... You don't measure how far one object is from another by measuring to the distant side ... If the end of a 34 inch bat hits you in the head was it 34 inches away from you ?

[ontheblack]

This is why you don't give rule clinics on the field, because people pick on one thing that is irrelevant to the discussion and carry on a straw man argument.

The discussion is being hit by a pitch inside the batter's box. I'm noting where the 10" comes into play. Don't like it, fine, ignore it.

I understand why it is part of the discussion, cannot help it if you rather sit and pick on a simple statement instead of discussion the topic at hand.

Actually the discussion started with this:

The constant diving into pitches. People trying to determine if a ball was in the strike zone when it hit the batter. One of the commentators said the pitch had to cross the white line in the batters box before HBP was given. Everyone wearing ton's of padding on their front side.

Initially it was about giving the batter the base after being hit by a pitch NOT in the batters box.

[MTR]

Actually the discussion started with this:

The constant diving into pitches. People trying to determine if a ball was in the strike zone when it hit the batter. One of the commentators said the pitch had to cross the white line in the batters box before HBP was given. Everyone wearing ton's of padding on their front side.

Initially it was about giving the batter the base after being hit by a pitch NOT in the batters box.

And then moved to the bold part that the idiots in the booth made an incorrect statement and the umpires on the board attempted to provide the correct ruling and application. AC made a statement that some understood and some did not and those that did not decided to concentrate on what could have been a misspoken phrase or not, like I said, I understood what he meant.

I tried to interpret, but the blissful insist on practicing their religion.

[Anti-Clone]

As MTR stated, if he and I agree over the philosophy and application of a rule, we must have a point. While you may not agree with it, you should probably give it some consideration.

Every sport has fundamental rules to where things and participants belong. It's that simple. There are a million examples. The F-ing ball does not belong entirely within the batter's box. Not batter should be required to move out of the way of a ball so far from the plate.