Comp wrote:ASA 8-5-M When a ball gets lodged in : 1. Umpires gear or clothing or 2. In an offensive players clothing. Effect: The ball is dead and the umpire should award the runners the bases the runners would have reached.
Comp wrote:ASA 8-5-M When a ball gets lodged in : 1. Umpires gear or clothing or 2. In an offensive players clothing. Effect: The ball is dead and the umpire should award the runners the bases the runners would have reached.
PDad wrote:Is there another rule besides 8-5-M being considered here? I'm not following how the discussion of disadvantaged and whom is at fault applies to 8-5-M. Please explain.Comp wrote:ASA 8-5-M When a ball gets lodged in : 1. Umpires gear or clothing or 2. In an offensive players clothing. Effect: The ball is dead and the umpire should award the runners the bases the runners would have reached.
Comp wrote:10-3-C is not even a consideration on this play, it is specifically covered by 8-5-M, 10-3-C is for reversal of a call or delay of making a callby the umpire puting the defense or a runner in jeapordy.
BearFlagFan wrote:Please re-read my last post. I'm responding to PDad's question about where the original umpire cited disadvantage and asking for the source rule on that.
PDad wrote:BearFlagFan wrote:Please re-read my last post. I'm responding to PDad's question about where the original umpire cited disadvantage and asking for the source rule on that.
Actually, I was asking why Comp and MTR were discussing it after Comp posted it was an incorrect explanation for the ump's call.
PDad wrote:Is there another rule besides 8-5-M being considered here? I'm not following how the discussion of disadvantaged and whom is at fault applies to 8-5-M. Please explain.Comp wrote:ASA 8-5-M When a ball gets lodged in : 1. Umpires gear or clothing or 2. In an offensive players clothing. Effect: The ball is dead and the umpire should award the runners the bases the runners would have reached.
Comp wrote:PDad wrote:Is there another rule besides 8-5-M being considered here? I'm not following how the discussion of disadvantaged and whom is at fault applies to 8-5-M. Please explain.Comp wrote:ASA 8-5-M When a ball gets lodged in : 1. Umpires gear or clothing or 2. In an offensive players clothing. Effect: The ball is dead and the umpire should award the runners the bases the runners would have reached.
No there is no other rule for this situation, it is covered completely by 8-5-M. The umpire in the OP appears to be citing 10-3-C for his call which is what I disagreed with. If in his judgement the batter would not have been safe then the out would still have been valid, but not for the reason he cited. MTR can correct me if I am wrong, but I was merely stating the ball ended up in the umpires ball bag because of actions by the defense and MTR brought up that the offense also played a part in it by swinging at a ball in the dirt.