What do you call?

[Sheriff10]

R1 on 3rd. No outs. Unreported sub at bat. 3-2 count.

Pitcher throws a wild pitch and runner scores. Defensive teams appeals the unreported sub.

We ruled the batter/runner out and the R1 returned to 3rd.

We talked after the game and debated what the call would have been had the count been 2-2 at the time the runner scored.

Any opinions?

[dittoz]

2-2 and runner scores via a WP on an un-reported sub at bat.

Let me take a guess...

Batter is replaced if the defense appeals, new batter assumes the existing count and the runner returns to 3rd? Or, does the run score if the appeal had not yet occurred before the run crossed? Somehow, I don't think the run c/would be scored though.

[MTR]

R1 on 3rd. No outs. Unreported sub at bat. 3-2 count.

Pitcher throws a wild pitch and runner scores. Defensive teams appeals the unreported sub.

We ruled the batter/runner out and the R1 returned to 3rd.

Speaking ASA,

The player is now considered in the game under any circumstance.

If the player reached base safely, you ruling is correct. However, there is no resolution offered in the rules should the player not reach base safely. Hopefully, that hole will be closed at this years convention.

We talked after the game and debated what the call would have been had the count been 2-2 at the time the runner scored.

Nothing would happen except the player would now be considered in the game.

[Jalamander]

R1 on 3rd. No outs. Unreported sub at bat. 3-2 count.

Pitcher throws a wild pitch and runner scores. Defensive teams appeals the unreported sub.

Speaking ASA, you are correct. Unreported Substitute is disqualified and called out. Runners return to the last base occupied. Rule 4-6-C (3)

Speaking LL, you were incorrect. The unannounced substitute is made legal as soon as she stepped into the batter's box. Rule 3.08(a)(2)

what the call would have been had the count been 2-2 at the time the runner scored.

Speaking ASA, The unreported Substitute is disqualified and all actions stands. The run scores. Rule 4-6-C (1)

Speaking LL, it is the same, unannounced substitue is made leaga as soon as she stepped into the batter's box. Rule 3.08(a)(2)

Jalamander

[MTR]

Speaking ASA, you are correct. Unreported Substitute is disqualified and called out. Runners return to the last base occupied. Rule 4-6-C (3)


Speaking ASA, The unreported Substitute is disqualified and all actions stands. The run scores. Rule 4-6-C (1)


Jalamander

Sorry, but you need a new rule book. Unreported Substitutes are no longer DQ'd in ASA

[Jalamander]

Sorry, but you need a new rule book. Unreported Substitutes are no longer DQ'd in ASA

I was looking at the 2008 ASA rule book. Did I miss a newer version?

Jalamander

[PDad]

Sorry, but you need a new rule book. Unreported Substitutes are no longer DQ'd in ASA

I was looking at the 2008 ASA rule book. Did I miss a newer version?

Jalamander

Yep. Here is ASA's recap of the changes they made for 2009:
http://downloads.asasoftball.com/umpire ... sFinal.pdf

Rule 4 Section 6 C 1: Removes the penalty of disqualification from the
Substitution Rule.
Comment: This only removes the disqualification portion of the rule, the balance of the penalties still apply. The unreported substitute is now in the game and all rules regarding reentry still apply.

[Jalamander]

Yep. Here is ASA's recap of the changes they made for 2009:
http://downloads.asasoftball.com/umpire ... sFinal.pdf

Rule 4 Section 6 C 1: Removes the penalty of disqualification from the
Substitution Rule.
Comment: This only removes the disqualification portion of the rule, the balance of the penalties still apply. The unreported substitute is now in the game and all rules regarding reentry still apply.

Thanks, PDad for the recap. And, thanks MTR for bringing this to my attention. I thought I had all my ducks in a row, but I missed a quacker. Totally forgot to check the ASA website for the 2009 rule changes.

Jalamander