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You Make the Call 6/6/15

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by Mark H » Tue Jun 09, 2015 5:01 pm

Batter runner on the bases - catcher clueless standing on the plate without the ball - why was the catcher still vertical after the first runner much less the second? No ball in the glove? Plate belongs to my runner and she will slide feet low across the plate. Free education for the catcher and free base for my runner. My runner goes out of her way to contact the catcher in her slide or slide feet high, bad runner. Otherwise, clean play.
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by Pale Rider » Tue Jun 09, 2015 6:32 pm

fastpitchdad05 wrote:Remind me not to mess with your better half if I am ever lucky enough to meet you and her in person, PR! :o :lol: :lol:


Nah...You gotta push her to provoke an attack:)
I sent a teacher who was making general remarks about the entire class we needed to discuss...She avoided the *evil* man and called my wife....bad move sister...bad move :D
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by Dugout Dad » Tue Jun 09, 2015 10:33 pm

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fastpitchdad05 wrote:Almost as classless as what happened last year in the Cal Cruisers/Minors Gold game. I say almost because that one was a joint effort, but I wouldn't argue with someone whose opinion was that this was worse.

I'm with PR, if my kid did anything like this she'd be lucky to be breathing after. Once is bad enough, but twice? Ridiculous.


If she were ours...
AND my wife saw it...
There'd be a youtube video of a 51 yr old Black Irish woman (Black hair and white skin) donkey stomping the catcher
ON THE FIELD...(dependent on far the kid runs before she accepted the inevitable)

...think along the lines of a Grizzly attack...0 chance of survival BTW... :o 8-)

And on top of that, you would get a beating too because it would be your fault she did it.
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by Dugout Dad » Tue Jun 09, 2015 10:41 pm

What crap. A Juan Uribe backswing would have taken care of that catcher. This catcher may be toast, some sites have this video at 2.5 million views. Cruisers video got 750K views. I just saw it on Bleacher Report too. Here is a highlight video of the championship game, go to :27, check out the catcher take-out by the other team.

https://youtu.be/nIMXNQL37TQ

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by jtat32 » Wed Jun 10, 2015 12:35 am

Watching the first time, both plays looked really dirty. Watching a few more times, particularly the slow-motion (and pausing to go frame by frame), it wasn't as clear to me anymore. Regardless, the video and this discussion bring up some questions for me:

- The catcher was completely blocking the base line, but since the runners were rounding in both cases, she wasn't completely blocking the base path. In my understanding, IF a play is coming to home, the catcher should set up in a position that takes away part of the plate, but not all of it. Assuming this is correct, is there any rule of thumb for how much to take away? I've always coached it (at all bases) with the goal of playing the tightest defense we can, but trying to stay within the rules and avoid collisions.

- If the throw beats the runner, are catchers allowed to fully block the plate? I know MLB has changed it's rules on this, but I'm not sure about softball.

- Dugout Dad linked another video that shows a runner sliding into the catcher to break up a possible double play. As long as the runner is in the neighborhood of the bag and isn't coming in with the intent to injure, isn't that a clean play?
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by jonriv » Wed Jun 10, 2015 4:15 am

Pale Rider wrote:
fastpitchdad05 wrote:Remind me not to mess with your better half if I am ever lucky enough to meet you and her in person, PR! :o :lol: :lol:


Nah...You gotta push her to provoke an attack:)
I sent a teacher who was making general remarks about the entire class we needed to discuss...She avoided the *evil* man and called my wife....bad move sister...bad move :D


Sounds like the same misstake people make with my wife and I assuming she would be the easier one! :D Many a car dealer has fallen victim!
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by jonriv » Wed Jun 10, 2015 4:21 am

Dugout Dad wrote:What crap. A Juan Uribe backswing would have taken care of that catcher. This catcher may be toast, some sites have this video at 2.5 million views. Cruisers video got 750K views. I just saw it on Bleacher Report too. Here is a highlight video of the championship game, go to :27, check out the catcher take-out by the other team.

https://youtu.be/nIMXNQL37TQ

Btw, wow $8500 off a Chevy pickup! Classic Chevrolet got their money's worth on advertising



Not sure of backswings and hard slides are the right message??? :? Great example of escalation that Blue could have ended by making the call.

BTW- is it me or was that take out of the catcher close to being interference?
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by Mark H » Wed Jun 10, 2015 7:23 am

jtat32 wrote:- Dugout Dad linked another video that shows a runner sliding into the catcher to break up a possible double play. As long as the runner is in the neighborhood of the bag and isn't coming in with the intent to injure, isn't that a clean play?


If my runner doesn't up end the catcher standing on the plate with no ball, or just receiving the ball, using a low cleats over the plate slide, she's not respecting the game or I haven't coached her well so yeah, clean play-poorly coached catcher. It's my runners job to slide across the plate. It's the other coach's job to teach infielders, especially middles and catchers that they should expect the runner to be sliding there.
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by Dugout Dad » Wed Jun 10, 2015 7:56 am

jonriv wrote:Not sure of backswings and hard slides are the right message??? :? Great example of escalation that Blue could have ended by making the call.

Well duh, said in jest, should have used a smiley emoticon to help you out :roll:

It does appear that take out of the catcher was interference. Well at least the right team won.
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by Pale Rider » Wed Jun 10, 2015 8:12 am

Dugout Dad wrote:And on top of that, you would get a beating too because it would be your fault she did it.


ABSOLUTELY!!! It would be my fault...regardless ;)

Actually my beloved spouse (aka Reaper) has a very long temper...I'm more likely to ejected from the field by a wide margin...but SHE is more likely to eviscerate an ump in the parking lot 8-)
Actually she has never unleashed her fangs at any park...but I hear about it on loooooong ride home...

One her rules about our offspring...1st...Don't embarrass yourself...2nd Don't embarrass your parents (which if that occurs that all on me)...
You embarrass yourself...its on you...kid embarrasses my wife with her actions...*insert theme from JAWS*
Vengeance is mine sayeth the spouse... :? :? :? :shock:

And dangling the $8500 Chevy thing isn't fair...you know Im seeking a new White Horse to ride...my Avalanche with 216K is getting tired...and smells like a dead horse...truck prices are asinine :shock:
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