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You Make the Call 6/6/15

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by Mark H » Fri Jun 12, 2015 7:01 am

fastpitchdad05 wrote:
Mark H wrote:
PDad wrote:Okay, If you're curious, here's the play we were discussing...

Dugout Dad wrote:... Here is a highlight video of the championship game, go to :27, check out the catcher take-out by the other team.

https://youtu.be/nIMXNQL37TQ

When I originally looked at the slide frame-by-frame on rowvid.com, I thought it was legal because she went feet first. I looked at it again after reading FPD05's post and he may be right about sweeping the catcher's legs.

Here are the NFHS rules (2011) regarding slides.

ART. 1 . . . Legal Slide. A legal slide may be either feet first or head first. If a runner slides feet first, at least one leg and buttock shall be on the ground. If a runner slides, the runner shall be within reach of the base with either hand or a foot when the slide is completed.
ART. 2 . . . Illegal Slide. A slide is illegal if:
a. the runner uses a rolling or cross-body slide into the fielder;
b. the runner's raised leg is higher than the fielder's knee when the fielder is in a standing position;
c. the runner goes beyond the base and makes contact with or alters the play of the fielder;
d. the runner slashes or kicks the fielder with either leg; or
e. the runner tries to injure the fielder.


Legal or Illegal?


Questionable for sure. I'd have to go with the ump who was looking down on it from above.


Unfortunately Mark, the rest of us can't wait for that judgement.


?
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by as the world turns » Fri Jun 12, 2015 8:21 am

Mark H wrote:
fastpitchdad05 wrote:
Mark H wrote:
PDad wrote:Okay, If you're curious, here's the play we were discussing...

Dugout Dad wrote:... Here is a highlight video of the championship game, go to :27, check out the catcher take-out by the other team.

https://youtu.be/nIMXNQL37TQ

When I originally looked at the slide frame-by-frame on rowvid.com, I thought it was legal because she went feet first. I looked at it again after reading FPD05's post and he may be right about sweeping the catcher's legs.

Here are the NFHS rules (2011) regarding slides.

ART. 1 . . . Legal Slide. A legal slide may be either feet first or head first. If a runner slides feet first, at least one leg and buttock shall be on the ground. If a runner slides, the runner shall be within reach of the base with either hand or a foot when the slide is completed.
ART. 2 . . . Illegal Slide. A slide is illegal if:
a. the runner uses a rolling or cross-body slide into the fielder;
b. the runner's raised leg is higher than the fielder's knee when the fielder is in a standing position;
c. the runner goes beyond the base and makes contact with or alters the play of the fielder;
d. the runner slashes or kicks the fielder with either leg; or
e. the runner tries to injure the fielder.


Legal or Illegal?


Questionable for sure. I'd have to go with the ump who was looking down on it from above.


Unfortunately Mark, the rest of us can't wait for that judgement.


?

God would have called interference
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by Mark H » Fri Jun 12, 2015 8:52 am

as the world turns wrote:
Mark H wrote:
fastpitchdad05 wrote:
Mark H wrote:
PDad wrote:Okay, If you're curious, here's the play we were discussing...

Dugout Dad wrote:... Here is a highlight video of the championship game, go to :27, check out the catcher take-out by the other team.

https://youtu.be/nIMXNQL37TQ

When I originally looked at the slide frame-by-frame on rowvid.com, I thought it was legal because she went feet first. I looked at it again after reading FPD05's post and he may be right about sweeping the catcher's legs.

Here are the NFHS rules (2011) regarding slides.

ART. 1 . . . Legal Slide. A legal slide may be either feet first or head first. If a runner slides feet first, at least one leg and buttock shall be on the ground. If a runner slides, the runner shall be within reach of the base with either hand or a foot when the slide is completed.
ART. 2 . . . Illegal Slide. A slide is illegal if:
a. the runner uses a rolling or cross-body slide into the fielder;
b. the runner's raised leg is higher than the fielder's knee when the fielder is in a standing position;
c. the runner goes beyond the base and makes contact with or alters the play of the fielder;
d. the runner slashes or kicks the fielder with either leg; or
e. the runner tries to injure the fielder.


Legal or Illegal?


Questionable for sure. I'd have to go with the ump who was looking down on it from above.


Unfortunately Mark, the rest of us can't wait for that judgement.


?

God would have called interference


Perhaps but given the poor angle of the video I'm not going to second guess.
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by as the world turns » Fri Jun 12, 2015 9:20 am

Mark H wrote:
as the world turns wrote:
Mark H wrote:
fastpitchdad05 wrote:
Mark H wrote:
PDad wrote:Okay, If you're curious, here's the play we were discussing...

Dugout Dad wrote:... Here is a highlight video of the championship game, go to :27, check out the catcher take-out by the other team.

https://youtu.be/nIMXNQL37TQ

When I originally looked at the slide frame-by-frame on rowvid.com, I thought it was legal because she went feet first. I looked at it again after reading FPD05's post and he may be right about sweeping the catcher's legs.

Here are the NFHS rules (2011) regarding slides.

ART. 1 . . . Legal Slide. A legal slide may be either feet first or head first. If a runner slides feet first, at least one leg and buttock shall be on the ground. If a runner slides, the runner shall be within reach of the base with either hand or a foot when the slide is completed.
ART. 2 . . . Illegal Slide. A slide is illegal if:
a. the runner uses a rolling or cross-body slide into the fielder;
b. the runner's raised leg is higher than the fielder's knee when the fielder is in a standing position;
c. the runner goes beyond the base and makes contact with or alters the play of the fielder;
d. the runner slashes or kicks the fielder with either leg; or
e. the runner tries to injure the fielder.


Legal or Illegal?


Questionable for sure. I'd have to go with the ump who was looking down on it from above.


Unfortunately Mark, the rest of us can't wait for that judgement.


?

God would have called interference


Perhaps but given the poor angle of the video I'm not going to second guess.

Then again, some on this blog think that umps are greater than God
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by Dugout Dad » Tue Jun 16, 2015 12:57 pm

Larry Brown Sports rehashed the MG - Cruisers umpire video and is wondering which is worse.

http://larrybrownsports.com/softball/catcher-megan-crosby-elbows-video/264012
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by B34R DOWN » Thu Jun 18, 2015 1:15 pm

Dugout Dad wrote:Larry Brown Sports rehashed the MG - Cruisers umpire video and is wondering which is worse.

http://larrybrownsports.com/softball/catcher-megan-crosby-elbows-video/264012


That's a tough one... The catcher could have done that one her own, but the the intentional throw at the ump is definitely called by the coach.... I think that's as bad as it gets when a coach has a kid do his bidding...
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by jusfrkix » Tue Dec 22, 2015 11:29 am

How a player plays is a direct reflection of how they are coached.

I'm pretty sure that girl's coach watched her do it the first time and said nothing because she's been doing that and getting away with it for a long time. After the first time it happened the at-bat team's coach should've called timeout pointed it out to the umpire and ask him or her to address it with the opposing coach. Hold coaches responsible for their player's actions.
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