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by Dugout Dad » Wed Jun 10, 2015 9:34 am

Pale Rider wrote:And dangling the $8500 Chevy thing isn't fair...you know Im seeking a new White Horse to ride...my Avalanche with 216K is getting tired...and smells like a dead horse...truck prices are asinine :shock:

There is a shortage of trucks out there. Car markers have been too busy building electric toy cars like the Volt. Have you seen the resale value of an electric car - they are worthless after 3 years. http://www.wsj.com/articles/resale-prices-tumble-on-electric-cars-1424977378
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by PDad » Wed Jun 10, 2015 1:32 pm

jtat32 wrote:Watching the first time, both plays looked really dirty. Watching a few more times, particularly the slow-motion (and pausing to go frame by frame), it wasn't as clear to me anymore. Regardless, the video and this discussion bring up some questions for me:

- The catcher was completely blocking the base line, but since the runners were rounding in both cases, she wasn't completely blocking the base path. In my understanding, IF a play is coming to home, the catcher should set up in a position that takes away part of the plate, but not all of it. Assuming this is correct, is there any rule of thumb for how much to take away? I've always coached it (at all bases) with the goal of playing the tightest defense we can, but trying to stay within the rules and avoid collisions.
Runner is entitled to the whole base/plate, so blocking any portion is OBS if it impedes the runner.

- If the throw beats the runner, are catchers allowed to fully block the plate? I know MLB has changed it's rules on this, but I'm not sure about softball.
Fielders with the ball are entitled to block the base/plate. MLB moved towards softball's rules by not allowing catchers to obstruct or runners to go out of their way to initiate contact., However, MLB still allows collisions if the fielder has the ball and is in the runner's path, which would be crash interference in softball if they remain on their feet.

- Dugout Dad linked another video that shows a runner sliding into the catcher to break up a possible double play. As long as the runner is in the neighborhood of the bag and isn't coming in with the intent to injure, isn't that a clean play?

Runner was retired before going into slide, so it would be INT if catcher had a play on another runner.
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by CatcherDad99 » Wed Jun 10, 2015 4:38 pm

This goes well beyond softball. What this shows is a lack of class and a lack of character, I blame first and foremost her parents because kids learn character hopefully from their parents. Then I blame her HS coach for not taking her out after the first time. To me this kid is surrounded by a bunch of a-hole adults who never bothered teaching her how to act. If the coach cared about this kid at all he would have benched her ass to teach his whole team a lesson.
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by Battle » Wed Jun 10, 2015 6:54 pm

CatcherDad99 wrote:This goes well beyond softball. What this shows is a lack of class and a lack of character, I blame first and foremost her parents because kids learn character hopefully from their parents. Then I blame her HS coach for not taking her out after the first time. To me this kid is surrounded by a bunch of a-hole adults who never bothered teaching her how to act. If the coach cared about this kid at all he would have benched her ass to teach his whole team a lesson.

I believe she is committed to a DI school. I wonder what they think about it. Surely they have seen it by now.
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by Safebyahare » Wed Jun 10, 2015 7:35 pm

Battle wrote:I believe she is committed to a DI school. I wonder what they think about it. Surely they have seen it by now.


Did anything ever happen to player or players in this video?
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q ... 7229,d.b2w
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by as the world turns » Wed Jun 10, 2015 8:39 pm

Battle wrote:
CatcherDad99 wrote:This goes well beyond softball. What this shows is a lack of class and a lack of character, I blame first and foremost her parents because kids learn character hopefully from their parents. Then I blame her HS coach for not taking her out after the first time. To me this kid is surrounded by a bunch of a-hole adults who never bothered teaching her how to act. If the coach cared about this kid at all he would have benched her ass to teach his whole team a lesson.

I believe she is committed to a DI school. I wonder what they think about it. Surely they have seen it by now.

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by fastpitchdad05 » Wed Jun 10, 2015 9:48 pm

Safebyahare wrote:
Battle wrote:I believe she is committed to a DI school. I wonder what they think about it. Surely they have seen it by now.


Did anything ever happen to player or players in this video?
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q ... 7229,d.b2w
Careful on the parent blame. Some lose control of their kids, and they become nothing like their parents. (just saying, sometimes is the case)


Hare, I don't know about the catcher, but the pitcher is still going to Utah. What punishment occurred, if any, is unknown to me. Hopefully they have both learned something positive from that incident and will stay on the straight and narrow.
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by jtat32 » Wed Jun 10, 2015 10:16 pm

PDad wrote:Runner was retired before going into slide, so it would be INT if catcher had a play on another runner.


That makes sense. Thanks for the input. Mark H, too.
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by Mark H » Thu Jun 11, 2015 3:25 am

Runners at second are already retired when they slide in hard to break up a double play so I can't take that as a blanket truth.
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by PDad » Thu Jun 11, 2015 8:17 am

Mark H wrote:Runners at second are already retired when they slide in hard to break up a double play so I can't take that as a blanket truth.

There is a difference between MLB and softball rules. MLB allows retired runners to go after fielders as long as the runner is within reach of the base. Most softball rulesets are more restrictive. Their rules about retired runners, as covered in several discussions by umpires, recognize they can't magically disappear, so they're protected as long as they're going for the base.

It's only INT if the fielder had a play on another runner (i.e. a double play) and it's clear INT prevented them from doing it. I expect it's like batter INT where many umpires only call it when the fielder actually attempts the throw.
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