going into the dugout

[i'mcoaching3rd]

would like to know the call (1 and 1 count on the batter ,batter swings at stike 2 and runs into the dugout). is she out or not and why.

[Jalamander]

She has not completed her time at bat. She is not out. Put her back in the box and let her finish her time at bat.

[coolstuff]

I have seen a batter called out because the batter entered the dugout before her AB was completed, and I've seen it more than once, at different age levels, in both NSA and ASA sanctioned games. I'm not quoting the rule book, just sharing what I have seen.

[MNBlue]

I have seen a batter called out because the batter entered the dugout before her AB was completed, and I've seen it more than once, at different age levels, in both NSA and ASA sanctioned games. I'm not quoting the rule book, just sharing what I have seen.

First post, thought I would step it on this one.

Just like your team has players who strike out, make errors, and throw the ball to the wrong base, there are umpires who aren't perfect. It is conceivable that we make a mistake on occassion.

All kidding aside, I'm sure things happen all the time that we don't want to happen, on your side as well as ours. All we can do is work harder to try and correct them. You have practices, we have clinics. Hopefully those needing help will attend your practices or our clinics.

BTW, Jalamander is correct.

[i'mcoaching3rd]

thanks the ump got in right,but i have not heard of this.

[hit4power]

Isnt it the case that under NFHS (and ASA?) blue could ring her up for taking too long to get back in the box? I forget the time, but it's something like 10-15'seconds once F1 has the ball and is ready for the next pitch. Had this happen when DD was pitching in HS - batter went and sat down on strike 2. When OC realized what has happening he rushed her back out, but blue called strike 3 on her for not being ready in time.

[GIMNEPIWO]

Isnt it the case that under NFHS (and ASA?) blue could ring her up for taking too long to get back in the box? I forget the time, but it's something like 10-15'seconds once F1 has the ball and is ready for the next pitch. Had this happen when DD was pitching in HS - batter went and sat down on strike 2. When OC realized what has happening he rushed her back out, but blue called strike 3 on her for not being ready in time.

NFHS rule 6-2-3 I'm paraphrasing : Once the ball has been returned to the pitcher she has 20 seconds to release the next pitch.

Once the ball has been returned to the pitcher, the batter has 10 seconds to get set or the umpire may call a strike on her, and after the pitchers hands are brought together, if the batter leaves the batters box she runs the risk of having a strike called on her for being out of position ( 7-3-1 ).

[Crabby_Bob]

Once the ball has been returned to the pitcher, the batter has 10 seconds to get set or the umpire may call a strike on her, and after the pitchers hands are brought together, if the batter leaves the batters box she runs the risk of having a strike called on her for being out of position ( 7-3-1 ).

7.3.C: The batter must take the batter's position in the batter's box within 10 seconds after being directed to do so by the umpire. EFFECT: The umpire will call a strike. No pitch has to be thrown and the ball is dead.

7.3.D (paraphrasing) would elict a warning or strike called for both feet out of the box when none of the eight exceptions are met. It doesn't say must warn first before calling a strike. I've seen it both ways.

If my batter walks into the dugout before her at-bat is complete, she will always be reminded to "know the count". If the umpire has not directed the batter to take the batter's box and calls strike three in a crucial game situation, why shouldn't I protest? (The $100 fee is one reason, violating 7.3.D would be another.)

[MTR]

Once the ball has been returned to the pitcher, the batter has 10 seconds to get set or the umpire may call a strike on her, and after the pitchers hands are brought together, if the batter leaves the batters box she runs the risk of having a strike called on her for being out of position ( 7-3-1 ).

7.3.C: The batter must take the batter's position in the batter's box within 10 seconds after being directed to do so by the umpire. EFFECT: The umpire will call a strike. No pitch has to be thrown and the ball is dead.

7.3.D (paraphrasing) would elict a warning or strike called for both feet out of the box when none of the eight exceptions are met. It doesn't say must warn first before calling a strike. I've seen it both ways.

If my batter walks into the dugout before her at-bat is complete, she will always be reminded to "know the count". If the umpire has not directed the batter to take the batter's box and calls strike three in a crucial game situation, why shouldn't I protest? (The $100 fee is one reason, violating 7.3.D would be another.)

7.3.D does not apply. OP clearly states the batter swinging at a pitch and that is an exception to the rule.

The umpire does not need to chase down the batter to direct them to enter the BB. So, if the batter is in the dugout, how does she know the umpire didn't direct her to the BB at the plate?

[softballdadcoach]

I agree--the batter and her 1st base coach should both be aware of the count and the batter should never get as far as the seat in the dugout...

That being said, in the ASA rules, isn't there something about leaving the field of play (as in the moment she steps into the dugout) resulting in the batter being called out? It's been too long since I've had a copy of the ASA rulebook of my own...