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14U Team Ranking (Bracketologist) Pre Premier & ASA Nat 7-22

by cent » Thu Dec 09, 2010 10:18 am

Not sure where TrickPlay gets his/her information but Power Surge 96 is a 16u team. We are in all the College Showcases and plan on being invited back to Premier in the summer. We are all 96's so are 14u eligible. You never know what the future holds but for right now we are 16u.

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by PDad » Thu Dec 09, 2010 10:59 am

ontheblack wrote:Very true. That 3 feet difference can have a huge impact on hitters, more so than pitchers.

Please explain how something can affect hitters more so than pitchers. Seems to me anything that impacts the effectiveness of hitters would have a corresponding opposite effect on pitchers (and vice versa).
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by fastpitchdad05 » Thu Dec 09, 2010 11:32 am

PDad wrote:
ontheblack wrote:Very true. That 3 feet difference can have a huge impact on hitters, more so than pitchers.

Please explain how something can affect hitters more so than pitchers. Seems to me anything that impacts the effectiveness of hitters would have a corresponding opposite effect on pitchers (and vice versa).


Not sure, but I think he just meant that it would be harder on hitters because they have 3 less feet to react and easier or roughly the same on pitchers.
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by J Fierce » Thu Dec 09, 2010 1:15 pm

fastpitchdad05 wrote:
PDad wrote:
ontheblack wrote:Very true. That 3 feet difference can have a huge impact on hitters, more so than pitchers.

Please explain how something can affect hitters more so than pitchers. Seems to me anything that impacts the effectiveness of hitters would have a corresponding opposite effect on pitchers (and vice versa).


Not sure, but I think he just meant that it would be harder on hitters because they have 3 less feet to react and easier or roughly the same on pitchers.

Plus, 3 feet more for a a pitchers ball to break and have more movement.
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by CODE_BROWN » Thu Dec 09, 2010 2:53 pm

Hey Bracky,

How about 8 solid big bats and 1 solid contact hitter with excellent pitching......how well will they do against 2-3 big bats and a bunch of very solid contact hitters..ok will give them excellent pitching too.
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by trickplay » Thu Dec 09, 2010 5:33 pm

cent wrote:Not sure where TrickPlay gets his/her information but Power Surge 96 is a 16u team. We are in all the College Showcases and plan on being invited back to Premier in the summer. We are all 96's so are 14u eligible. You never know what the future holds but for right now we are 16u.

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by fastpitchdad05 » Thu Dec 09, 2010 5:39 pm

trickplay wrote:
cent wrote:Not sure where TrickPlay gets his/her information but Power Surge 96 is a 16u team. We are in all the College Showcases and plan on being invited back to Premier in the summer. We are all 96's so are 14u eligible. You never know what the future holds but for right now we are 16u.

Scott Berndes President, San Diego Power Surge



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Uh, sounds like it's time for a PM here. :|
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by ontheblack » Thu Dec 09, 2010 8:41 pm

PDad wrote:
ontheblack wrote:Very true. That 3 feet difference can have a huge impact on hitters, more so than pitchers.

Please explain how something can affect hitters more so than pitchers. Seems to me anything that impacts the effectiveness of hitters would have a corresponding opposite effect on pitchers (and vice versa).
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There is no corresponding opposite effect for pitchers. For the hitter its timing. 3 feet less and in many cases, same speed of pitching. There is no timing issue for the pitcher going from 43 to 40. For the pitcher the adjustment is with their movement. From what I have seen, pitchers seem to make the adjustment more easily and faster. That isnt to say they both dont have to make adjustments - its just harder for most hitter

FWIW, I think 14s is going to be a different animal this year as the better 2nd year teams go the 16 showcase route like Power Surge and several others that were 96s last year.
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by PDad » Fri Dec 10, 2010 9:07 am

ontheblack wrote:
PDad wrote:
ontheblack wrote:Very true. That 3 feet difference can have a huge impact on hitters, more so than pitchers.

Please explain how something can affect hitters more so than pitchers. Seems to me anything that impacts the effectiveness of hitters would have a corresponding opposite effect on pitchers (and vice versa).

There is no corresponding opposite effect for pitchers. For the hitter its timing. 3 feet less and in many cases, same speed of pitching. There is no timing issue for the pitcher going from 43 to 40. For the pitcher the adjustment is with their movement. From what I have seen, pitchers seem to make the adjustment more easily and faster. That isnt to say they both dont have to make adjustments - its just harder for most hitter

The opposite effect for pitchers is their pitches get to the plate quicker and with more velocity (less deceleration over 40' than 43) which typically makes them more effective. Pitchers need to make vertical and horizontal adjustments to keep their pitches on the black instead of catching too much of the strikezone. Granted, they can usually make these adjustments fairly quickly since they've previously mastered it.

It shouldn't be too hard for batters to make the adjustment since they also have previous experience at 40' and they are always having to adjust their timing for different pitchers that throw at different speeds. That said, from what I've seen, most batters are doing better at 43' than they did at 40 and I doubt they're going to be as effective back at 40' as they've been at 43.
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by Chin Music » Fri Dec 10, 2010 10:23 am

Seeing the ball longer at similar speeds = advantage hitter
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