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NTX vs. STX vs. The World 12U

by Newbe » Wed Feb 16, 2011 5:24 am

slaphitter wrote:Top 5 From STX -- Panthers, Mizuno, Tps, Smash, and Force. If Power can ever decide on a starting line-up they could be in the mix also. mrTfoo can give us a breakdown on the NTX teams, he appears to be very in tune with those teams talents.

Newbe ---- as I stated earlier Power can be in the mix all year. They just need to pick 10 to 12 girls and go with it. Their roster has been way to large. The majority of the top clubs usually carry no more than 10 to 12 girls. It helps to keep everyone happy with playing time and keeping the same girls on the field most of the time helps with consistancy of play.



Slap--- I agree with a lot of what you are saying but have you seen the size of the rosters from teams from cal. ? I don't know if it always the number of kids ?
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by slaphitter » Wed Feb 16, 2011 9:53 pm

Newbe wrote:
slaphitter wrote:Top 5 From STX -- Panthers, Mizuno, Tps, Smash, and Force. If Power can ever decide on a starting line-up they could be in the mix also. mrTfoo can give us a breakdown on the NTX teams, he appears to be very in tune with those teams talents.

Newbe ---- as I stated earlier Power can be in the mix all year. They just need to pick 10 to 12 girls and go with it. Their roster has been way to large. The majority of the top clubs usually carry no more than 10 to 12 girls. It helps to keep everyone happy with playing time and keeping the same girls on the field most of the time helps with consistancy of play.



Slap--- I agree with a lot of what you are saying but have you seen the size of the rosters from teams from cal. ? I don't know if it always the number of kids ?


I have heard California teams are ran like college teams that is the reason for the big rosters.

Under present conditions that would not work in Texas. Most Texas dd's play 2 to 3 positions. When their not pitching they are playing 1st or 3rd. If not catching they are playing 3rd or the outfield. Etc Etc. With the small Texas rosters everyone gets to play alot so that keeps the PARENTS and dd's happy. Most of the time.

I still believe Power will do well if the trim their roster down and dd's get more playing time (experience) at their positions. Plus more swings of the bats. Could be wrong. Time will tell.
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by Newbe » Thu Feb 17, 2011 5:27 am

Well I was just saying they seem to know what there doing in Cal looking at the Nat's every year! We probably should start looking at these other programs in the country and ask our self why they have so much success ? If it works there it should work here? I think the Power will be one to watch this year when the smoke clears. That coach came from there 18 gold program I think she probably will have them playing ball at a high level real soon. They already looked like a diffrent team last weekend when they cruised through the 27 field in Dyess? Just saying???
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by softballdaddi » Thu Feb 24, 2011 6:44 am

My CTex view,
My daughter is a 12u pitcher in Austin. She has done very well in South, Central and DFW games. Have never played in Houston, so I cannot comment. I have had to do a lot of business in Phoenix lately, and have caught a lot of tournaments here. The difference I can see from texas and Az is the hitting and pitching. AZ hitters are more agressive and put the ball in play more often. The Tex pitchers have more pitches. The AZ hitters play year round, so that gives them more opportunities at the plate vs Tex players.
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by Heartwell » Thu Feb 24, 2011 10:44 am

AZ hitters are more agressive and put the ball in play more often. The Tex pitchers have more pitches.


Then you go further West to SoCal. Agressive hitters, pitchers and coaches. Coupled that with year round play and you get those amazing teams year in and year out at ASA Nationals.

Texas softball is improving though. The one thing that I have come to notice as I have witnessed Select softball for just a few years is that the teams that have aggressive coaches are the most successful. That does not mean that they are teaching them proper mechanics when fielding, hitting or throwing but at least they pitch, run, hit and swing aggressively.

And yes Texas pitchers have 5 different pitches(cannot throw them for strikes for the most part) by 10U where from what I here AZ/SoCal has 2 pitches by 10U maybe 3 pitches by 14U and after that it varies. AZ/SoCal have great command of these pitches and are very successful. There is some pitchers that have high command of more than 2 pitches at an early age but that's rare. I have asked a lot of successful pitchers from different orgs here what pitches they throw 14U and under and they tell me fastball and changeup. Some have a third pitch they have high command and throw it as well. One theory is that you should not throw fastballs as a softball pitcher but I disagree. The softball fastball is not the same as a baseball fastball because of the spin. The softball pitcher creates tremendous downward spin on the fastball vs. the baseball pitcher that is actually trying to throw a riseball(does not exist in baseball). The baseball 4 seam fastball with a true 6 to 12 rotation will stay straight vs a softball fastball that has downward movement. Especially at an early age when you are trying to build mechanics into a young athlete. You throw in a drop curve, curve, riseball, screw, knuckle curve, drop at an early age and there goes the mechanics.

So if the pitchers throw less strikes the hitters take less swings. End result the pitchers and the hitters take longer to mature as a softball players.

JMHO my daughter has only played Select ball for a couple of years so that's all I have to go by so I'm sure there is other points of view out there.
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by softballdaddi » Fri Feb 25, 2011 10:18 am

I could not agree with you more on all of your comments. Now what happens when Tex meets Ca/AZ? I am about to find out. My daughter is coming to AZ to tryout with a team. They are in a 14Utournament with 23 teams. Even though she is a 12U, she does have a drop, rise, screw and change. She used to have a curve drop, but got hurt pitching it, so she does not pitch it any more. I am her father, but based on her previous performance in tournaments in DFW, Austin and San Antonio, I would say she an excellent pitcher. She has 3 pitching coaches, each provide a different aspect to the pitching performance. Two are College level coaches one has a starting pitcher at UT and the other at coach has a starting pitcher at LSU. The other coach is a high school coach whose team was a runner up in the Texas 5A tournament last year. One I used for the mental aspect, the other for "specialty pitches" and the other pure basic mechanics, and yes with the specialty pitches she forgets the fundamental fastpitch mechanics. I will post after the weekend to let you know how she did against AZ teams.
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by softballjunki » Fri Feb 25, 2011 10:46 am

goodluck in AZ and have fun :P
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