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by Ace » Wed Mar 04, 2009 7:35 pm

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weekend4trvl wrote:I watch the news everynight...I'm not hearing this. MSNBC

You're kidding right? You think the MSM is going to start critically analyzing Obama's policies? He is THEIR man, and his policies are the very policies that the MSM has been cheering on for the past 50+ years.

So now they are going to start comparing relative budgets vs gdp's and such? No frickin' way.


Actually, now that they got Obama elected, they are lining up cushy government jobs:

Linda Douglass, who left her post as congressional correspondent for ABC News last year to work for then presidential candidate Barack Obama and now is in line to serve as an assistant secretary of Health and Human Services.

Or Jay Carney, once Washington bureau chief at Time magazine, now press secretary to Vice President Biden.

Or Peter Gosselin, an award-winning economic writer for the L.A. Times, now chief speechwriter for Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner.

Or the Tribune’s Jill Zuckman, now press secretary to Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood.

Perhaps even more startling, watch “Countdown With Keith Olbermann” or “The Rachel Maddow Show” almost any day, and you’ll see working reporters like NBC News' Chief Foreign Correspondent Richard Engel taking anything but an objective journalistic stance.


So no, you won't get objective analysis on MSNBC, or pretty much anywhere in MSM. And you're naive if you think you will.

True dat! If you want objectivity you have to turn to fox! :o
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by anonlooker » Wed Mar 04, 2009 7:51 pm

Haha! All of which means objective journalism is dead. "The News" has become little more than a PR campaign between socialism and capitalism.
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by weekend4trvl » Wed Mar 04, 2009 9:00 pm

1. The Bush White house and the libretarians that ran it nearly destroyed our economy. The hundreds of Enrons and Countrywides that went unregulated for years were supposed to lift us all up to the next economic class..."didn't pan out for many of us."

2. If John McCain had won...was his plan any different ?

3. Ask the millions that have lost their homes and/or jobs if a little socialism is a bad thing.

4. Hillary doesn't need respect. We have laser guided missiles that actually work. Thanks Bill

5. Off subject...the war in Iraq is over...bring home the boys. When the Iraqi's finish killing each other off , we'll buy some oil off the ones still standing...like the good ol' days.

6. Skarp...come back to us. You've gone off into deep right field.
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by Stubs » Wed Mar 04, 2009 9:37 pm

weekend4trvl wrote:1. The Bush White house and the libretarians that ran it nearly destroyed our economy. The hundreds of Enrons and Countrywides that went unregulated for years were supposed to lift us all up to the next economic class..."didn't pan out for many of us."

2. If John McCain had won...was his plan any different ?

3. Ask the millions that have lost their homes and/or jobs if a little socialism is a bad thing.

4. Hillary doesn't need respect. We have laser guided missiles that actually work. Thanks Bill

5. Off subject...the war in Iraq is over...bring home the boys. When the Iraqi's finish killing each other off , we'll buy some oil off the ones still standing...like the good ol' days.

6. Skarp...come back to us. You've gone off into deep right field.


Finally, a tiny bit of reality? Are you admitting that Mr. Obama is heading us towards socialism?

When you say "us" who do you mean?
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by Skarp » Wed Mar 04, 2009 10:08 pm

weekend4trvl wrote:1. The Bush White house and the libretarians that ran it nearly destroyed our economy. The hundreds of Enrons and Countrywides that went unregulated for years were supposed to lift us all up the next economic class..."didn't pan out for many of us."

2. If John McCain had won...was his plan any different ?

3. Ask the millions that have lost their homes and/or jobs if a little socialism is a bad thing.

4. Hillary doesn't need respect. We have laser guided missiles that actually work. Thanks Bill

5. Off subject...the war in Iraq is over...bring home the boys. When the Iraqi's finish killing each other off , we'll buy some oil off the ones still standing...like the good ol' days.

6. Skarp...come back to us. You've gone off into deep right field.

1. Libertarians didn't run the Bush administration. They obviously didn't even have a voice in it, as they wouldn't have tolerated any of his budgets or big government policies for a second. Ever heard of Ron Paul? Not exactly Bush's biggest supporter. But the fact of the matter is, as any remotely politically savvy person understands, the president has very little real control over the economy.

Regarding "hundreds" of Enrons, that's a complete fabrication. Enron, Worldcom, and a handful of others. So what? There will always be the few bad apples who will find a loophole in existing regulations in order to swindle. We can impose draconian regulations and reporting/accounting standards, or we can accept the occasional bad apple as the price of a free and vibrant economy. Any idea how much compliance with Sarbanes-Oxley costs our economy every year?

As for Countrywide and the other failed or troubled banks, it's truly comical for you to lay that off on Republicans. The banks were merely churning out the types of bad loans required by the left to serve the utopian goal of "affordable housing." When the numbers don't add up, which for the poor they do not, a little creativity is called for. Fact is, Republicans repeatedly called for more oversight of Fannie Mae and the viability of the types of loans it was backing, but they were stonewalled by the left. You should watch C-Span rather than MSNBC.

2. John McCain would have been awful, but he would have known better than to raise taxes and penalize capital investment in the middle of a recession.

3. That the recipients of government handouts are happy to take them is hardly a compelling argument. Why don't you give me some money? I'll be happy to take it...so by your logic I guess that means you should.

Most of the people who have lost their homes had no business buying them in the first place. That's a simple fact. Now we're supposed to bail them out so they can stay in their homes? Great idea. Wish I had bought a home that I couldn't afford. Next time I will.

4. Clinton cut military and intelligence spending dramatically. He gave us 9/11 and a nuclear armed North Korea. Thanks Bill.

5. Excellent! Leave a power vacuum for radical extremists to step into. Hell, it's not like the neanderthals will ever be able to harm us, right? I mean, how much can hundreds of billions in oil profit really buy you anyway?

6. I'll come back from right field when you name a conservative presidential candidate that even 10% of the MSM endorsed in the past 50 years. Otherwise I'll stick by my comments and stay right where I'm at.
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by Stubs » Thu Mar 05, 2009 9:12 am

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Talk about buying votes? How about legislating them? This can't happen!
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by Dugout Dad » Thu Mar 05, 2009 2:12 pm

Yup, the obama soup kitchen is here, start gulping it down
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by weekend4trvl » Thu Mar 05, 2009 3:17 pm

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Stubs wrote:
weekend4trvl wrote:1. The Bush White house and the libretarians that ran it nearly destroyed our economy. The hundreds of Enrons and Countrywides that went unregulated for years were supposed to lift us all up to the next economic class..."didn't pan out for many of us."

2. If John McCain had won...was his plan any different ?

3. Ask the millions that have lost their homes and/or jobs if a little socialism is a bad thing.

4. Hillary doesn't need respect. We have laser guided missiles that actually work. Thanks Bill

5. Off subject...the war in Iraq is over...bring home the boys. When the Iraqi's finish killing each other off , we'll buy some oil off the ones still standing...like the good ol' days.

6. Skarp...come back to us. You've gone off into deep right field.


Finally, a tiny bit of reality? Are you admitting that Mr. Obama is heading us towards socialism?

When you say "us" who do you mean?

No... I'm saying Obama is giving us a government "of the people,by the people and for the people". What I mean by "us" is you and me.
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by Stubs » Thu Mar 05, 2009 5:04 pm

weekend4trvl wrote:"
Stubs wrote:
weekend4trvl wrote:1. The Bush White house and the libretarians that ran it nearly destroyed our economy. The hundreds of Enrons and Countrywides that went unregulated for years were supposed to lift us all up to the next economic class..."didn't pan out for many of us."

2. If John McCain had won...was his plan any different ?

3. Ask the millions that have lost their homes and/or jobs if a little socialism is a bad thing.

4. Hillary doesn't need respect. We have laser guided missiles that actually work. Thanks Bill

5. Off subject...the war in Iraq is over...bring home the boys. When the Iraqi's finish killing each other off , we'll buy some oil off the ones still standing...like the good ol' days.

6. Skarp...come back to us. You've gone off into deep right field.


Finally, a tiny bit of reality? Are you admitting that Mr. Obama is heading us towards socialism?

When you say "us" who do you mean?

No... I'm saying Obama is giving us a government "of the people,by the people and for the people". What I mean by "us" is you and me.


You've forgotten all the illegals that he is giving our country away to. I want no part of your "us". And don't you mean "from the people, from the people, from the people"?
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by weekend4trvl » Thu Mar 05, 2009 7:13 pm

Illegals...I believe the open border award goes to George(Vincente) Bush. :cry: :cry: Although he was never really in charge. That would be Dick Cheney
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