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by Hitmechanic » Tue Nov 04, 2008 11:20 am

as the world turns wrote:
Hitmechanic wrote:I've only voted thrice...but the day is still early here. So is it better to use the RT or the Synergy during riots? :P

Well, breakout the DD's catcher's gear as well. I don't think the composite bats will hold up too good. Easton's warranty won't cover head cracking, actually, their warranty doesn't cover hitting a ball either. I'm sure you have an old rec league bat laying around, they still hit and wipe off well.


Unfortunately, I donated them all...which means I may see them again...against my head. time for me to go vote...again. I just love the southern states....
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by Skarp » Tue Nov 04, 2008 2:57 pm

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Skarp wrote:Victory by any means necessary is a leftist philosophy. It is the antithesis of conservatism, which is grounded in predictable processes, the rule of law, intergenerational stability and commonalities, etc. Conservatism abhors chaos.

The left has a vision of a better world. They are, as they call themselves, progressive...the rules and institutions of today's outmoded, anachronistic (white, patriarchal, oppressive, yada yada yada) society have little hold over them.

That is why election fraud is rampant on the left...as is criminal conduct in pursuit of countless left-wing political goals. To the left, the ends justify the means. When is the last time you've seen a mob of conservatives rioting on behalf of one of their causes?


Are you freaking kidding me, this one of the funniest things I have ever seen you post. Just because you try to overwhelm someone by bull!@#$ still makes it !@#$. Your definition of conservatism is very accurate. But for you to state "When is the last time you've seen a mob of conservatives rioting on behalf of one of their causes" I do not even need to look anything up, anti-abortion has ALWAYS been the rallying cry & lightning rod of all Right-wing Conservatives, who bomb abortion clinics, sniper abortion doctors, & who have rioted on numerous occasions. Your eloquent definitions of leftist & conservatism I think is pretty accurate, but the ideology when it comes to politics are completely different and are usually reversed, the right-wing arms believing that these forward thinking liberals should under no means destroy the fabric of what America is suppose to be and will follow the philosophy of the "ends justifying the means"

lol...I knew you would come up with anti-abortion. It's a one hit wonder the left never gets tired of playing. But the fact is that anti-abortion demonstrations are exceedingly rare, and violent manifestations of the belief far rarer still. And they are ALWAYS disavowed by mainstream conservatism. So the notion that the issue is a lightning rod and rallying cry for "all" conservatives is provably false. And even to the extent that most conservatives oppose abortion, they do so with extremely rare exception by peaceful means and within the political process.

But let's observe the left, shall we:
WTO...riots.
Immigration...riots.
Environment...Greenpeace piracy and eco-terrorism of all sorts.
Animal rights...PETA sponsored personal assaults.
Racial "injustice"...riots and rampant criminality.
Anti-war...riots, hostile takeovers of university campuses, personal assaults.
"Free" speech...conservative speakers shouted down and/or assaulted. The "fairness doctrine."
Social injustice...riots, Black Panthers, the Weather Underground, etc., etc.

That's just a taste...for every moonbat cause there are lefty organizations and large numbers of associated individuals willing to break laws and wreak havoc to advance their causes. Which would be bad enough by itself, but these organizations are embraced within the fold of mainstream liberalism in this country. They are pandered to by Democrats.

So please feel free to point out all of the violent conservative organizations that are openly embraced by Republicans. Hell, point out any violent conservative organizations at all. You can't. Because political violence is radicalism...and radicalism is anathema to conservatism. By definition.

As far as "ends justifying means" goes, you couldn't be more wrong. It is invariably conservatives playing by the rules, working within the system, preaching law and order and civil discourse, while liberals are willing to do whatever works. That's why liberals win. I defy you to name a liberal cause that hasn't made huge strides over the past 50 years. Fact is, "by any means necessary" is a revolutionary ethos...it is the very essence of radical progessive politics. Hell, here's a radical lefty organization (also embraced by mainstream liberalism) that goes by the name: http://www.bamn.com/

Conservatives have always (or at least until very recently...3 generations of indoctrination works wonders) had the numbers in this country. They also control much of the wealth. If they wanted to fight dirty, or violently, rest assured that they would win. Instead they have lost miserably, dying the death of a thousand cuts as the agendas of every loony leftwing cause imaginable are inexorably forced upon them.

This isn't a surprise. Extremists always defeat moderates...history is replete with examples.

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by Ace » Tue Nov 04, 2008 4:36 pm

ocdad wrote:
Skarp wrote:Victory by any means necessary is a leftist philosophy. It is the antithesis of conservatism, which is grounded in predictable processes, the rule of law, intergenerational stability and commonalities, etc. Conservatism abhors chaos.

The left has a vision of a better world. They are, as they call themselves, progressive...the rules and institutions of today's outmoded, anachronistic (white, patriarchal, oppressive, yada yada yada) society have little hold over them.

That is why election fraud is rampant on the left...as is criminal conduct in pursuit of countless left-wing political goals. To the left, the ends justify the means. When is the last time you've seen a mob of conservatives rioting on behalf of one of their causes?


Are you freaking kidding me, this one of the funniest things I have ever seen you post. Just because you try to overwhelm someone by bull!@#$ still makes it !@#$. Your definition of conservatism is very accurate. But for you to state "When is the last time you've seen a mob of conservatives rioting on behalf of one of their causes" I do not even need to look anything up, anti-abortion has ALWAYS been the rallying cry & lightning rod of all Right-wing Conservatives, who bomb abortion clinics, sniper abortion doctors, & who have rioted on numerous occasions. Your eloquent definitions of leftist & conservatism I think is pretty accurate, but the ideology when it comes to politics are completely different and are usually reversed, the right-wing arms believing that these forward thinking liberals should under no means destroy the fabric of what America is suppose to be and will follow the philosophy of the "ends justifying the means"

lol...I knew you would come up with anti-abortion. It's a one hit wonder the left never gets tired of playing. But the fact is that anti-abortion demonstrations are exceedingly rare, and violent manifestations of the belief far rarer still. And they are ALWAYS disavowed by mainstream conservatism. So the notion that the issue is a lightning rod and rallying cry for "all" conservatives is provably false. And even to the extent that most conservatives oppose abortion, they do so with extremely rare exception by peaceful means and within the political process.

But let's observe the left, shall we:

Social injustice...riots, Black Panthers, the Weather Underground, etc., etc.

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by as the world turns » Tue Nov 04, 2008 5:15 pm

This just in from CNN

CNN report early voting has Obama with a big lead but that will change when white people get out of work.
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by ocdad » Tue Nov 04, 2008 9:18 pm

lol...I knew you would come up with anti-abortion. It's a one hit wonder the left never gets tired of playing. But the fact is that anti-abortion demonstrations are exceedingly rare, and violent manifestations of the belief far rarer still. This isn't a surprise. Extremists always defeat moderates...history is replete with examples.

Laugh away...the joke's on you too.


Ok, I already replied to this but it hasn't shown up, so I will try it again.

Ok, just so much to say about this latest comment. How I became this liberal leftist is beyond me, but that is what I am being associated with. I more of a moderate with a left tendency, but like I said, once someone disagrees with your views they become this bleeding leftist liberal, confirmed by all your examples of the violent rioting caused by leftist. Your definition is right on, but argument is weak, because discussing liberal views has turned into left marxism by your argument. Never the center of my discussion, if you go back and read what I am talking about it is a rebuttal to this anti-obama rhetoric, but go ahead and try to discredit me by association of a leftist, popular weapon of the right.

Abortion is always the most obvious as you stated, but it was more for the audience not us, this topic needs little explanation. Not rare, more numerous than the examples you listed as left extremists and always national attention grabbers, because of the scale to the actual carnage inflicted. Doctors gunned down in their driveways, car bombs placed under clinic workers cars, destroyed clinics that have been torched or bombed, workers harrased as they walk to work. You are right there is no rioting going on, because to have a riot, "you need 2 to tango" and very few people are willing to risk their lives.
I have seen little outrages or condemnation by the mass right wing community - they are condemned by the politicans...now before you go and say not all right wing conservatives have embraced this, you are absolutely correct, this applies to both sides of the spectrum, in this matter I will just say the vast majority. You have the Minute Men, who stated they were out to protect our borders but could do little to hide their racist undertones as traveled across the country armed and ready to shoot.

The peaceful means you discuss could be said for most of the organizations that you listed above. How you bring the Black Panthers into the discussion, they were not political entity. Now the KKK is another matter. David Duke who tried to get elected as a Democrat for Louisana, was only able to be a elected as a Republican under the right wing conservative revival. This is the Grand Wizard, who founded the Neo-Nazi movement in this country. I guess these Republican embraced political entities (by the vote) were very peaceful. Not enough room to elobrate.

You are wrong extremist don't always win, history has proven it with Gandhi, MLK, ...pacifist who were considered leftist liberal in their area & era, but history has proven differently. They were believers in the making a stand for what was right & just.

No you are wrong the joke is not on me, because I wouldn't waste all my time replying to these ridiculous remarks & comments if I did not believe that too many times people have remained quiet while they got brow beaten by similar right wing comments, we are the demise to this country...You make these comments and if people hear it enough times and loud enough they start to believe there is some truth to it, so no joke is on me, because I know the truth of what you are trying to do and what it can do. I will always stand up and speak against it.
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by softballdad2 » Tue Nov 04, 2008 9:56 pm

What happened, are all the white people working over time????
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by ocdad » Tue Nov 04, 2008 10:15 pm

softballdad2 wrote:What happened, are all the white people working over time????


That is hilarious :lol:
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by K'SDAD » Tue Nov 04, 2008 11:37 pm

softballdad2 wrote:What happened, are all the white people working over time????

We have to so we can spread the wealth.
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by Hitmechanic » Wed Nov 05, 2008 7:36 am

:evil: somebody gave my McBreakfast away...I hope it went to a RMD coach...instead of a O'bama feel good.
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by softballdad2 » Wed Nov 05, 2008 7:52 am

Thanks, I'll make sure i spend it wisely!!! going shopping after i eat this McBreakfast i got for free!!!!
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