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[GIMNEPIWO]

The difference being I doubt that prior to Obama recipients believe the phones were coming from him, it was just another government welfare program. Obama supporters truly believe he is giving them things
Obamaclaus. Like Christmas 365 days a year.

From memory, without googling ... didn't the free telephone service thing begin under Reagans Administration ? Or was it HW Bush or Clinton ?

[fastpitchdad05]

Hey G
your question was answered on the previous page.

By the way, you got me to look up Obamaphones (thanks a lot!) and it seems that this program started way before Obama, no? I read that the original idea got started during the Reagan administration and that the current Obamaphone program actually started during the Bush administration in 2008.

Not-so-great minds like mine and G's think alike I guess.

[Dugout Dad]

The difference being I doubt that prior to Obama recipients believe the phones were coming from him, it was just another government welfare program. Obama supporters truly believe he is giving them things
Obamaclaus. Like Christmas 365 days a year.

From memory, without googling ... didn't the free telephone service thing begin under Reagans Administration ? Or was it HW Bush or Clinton ?

Yes it did, but with good merit. Like every government program it has been totally abused:

The program is called Lifeline, established in 1984, originally created to subsidize landline phone service for low income Americans, funded by government-collected telecommunication fees, paid by consumers.

In 2008, the program was expanded to support cell phones which quickly escalated the cost of the program. In 2008 the program cost $772 million, but by 2011 it cost $1.6 billion.

A 2011 audit found that 269,000 wireless Lifeline subscribers were receiving free phones and monthly service from two or more carriers. Several websites have been created to promote “free” government cell phones, including the”The Obama Cell Phone” website at Obamaphone.net.

The abuse started in 2008, hmmm, what happened in 2008?

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[Trophy Hunter]

It was started under Reagan as a "Lifeline" program for the poor in case of emergencies. It expanded under Clinton, and in 2008 cell phones were introduced, and usage went from 7.1 million to 12.5 million.

It is paid for by the "Lifeline" fee you can find on your monthly phone bill. It is classic redistribution - those who have paying for those who have not (but do now).

It isn't an Obama originated program, but he does little or nothing to dissuade those that believe it is from voting for him.

Food stamps also expanded more than 50% under Obama, likely due to the easing of Workfare requirements, which were included under Clinton's Welfare reform.

There are all kinds of goods and services available, with no end in sight. It is surely the best time in history to be poor and / or unemployed. There is now a greater stigma attached to success than there is to being on welfare.

America has gone a long way toward creating a permanent welfare underclass.

In a nation of children, Santa Claus will always win.

The bill will come due, and with a vengeance.

[Trophy Hunter]

Btw, the more Obama gets slammed for handing out freebies, the more it empowers him to his constituency. As outraged as some of us may be, we are in the minority.

[GIMNEPIWO]

Hey G
your question was answered on the previous page.

By the way, you got me to look up Obamaphones (thanks a lot!) and it seems that this program started way before Obama, no? I read that the original idea got started during the Reagan administration and that the current Obamaphone program actually started during the Bush administration in 2008.

Not-so-great minds like mine and G's think alike I guess.

See my Avatar and feel free to borrow it ...

[GIMNEPIWO]

It was started under Reagan as a "Lifeline" program for the poor in case of emergencies. It expanded under Clinton, and in 2008 cell phones were introduced, and usage went from 7.1 million to 12.5 million.

It is paid for by the "Lifeline" fee you can find on your monthly phone bill. It is classic redistribution - those who have paying for those who have not (but do now).

It isn't an Obama originated program, but he does little or nothing to dissuade those that believe it is from voting for him.

Food stamps also expanded more than 50% under Obama, likely due to the easing of Workfare requirements, which were included under Clinton's Welfare reform.

There are all kinds of goods and services available, with no end in sight. It is surely the best time in history to be poor and / or unemployed. There is now a greater stigma attached to success than there is to being on welfare.

America has gone a long way toward creating a permanent welfare underclass.

In a nation of children, Santa Claus will always win.

The bill will come due, and with a vengeance.

What percentage of that increase do you think is due to more people being poor or unemployed in 2008 ?

[as the world turns]

Look, Mijo, I traded you (your futuro at least) for obamaphone. Loook et soo peretty!

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Pedejo latinos voted 71% for obama.....the power of freebees

[fastpitchdad05]

Look, Mijo, I traded you (your futuro at least) for obamaphone. Loook et soo peretty!

Obama_Baby_Obamaphone.jpg

Pedejo latinos voted 71% for obama.....the power of freebees

You're riding a thin line with this comment. Lots of Latinos on this board, including some hardcore Repubs...right Dugout Dad?

FYI...my DD is a "Quarter bean".

[as the world turns]

Look, Mijo, I traded you (your futuro at least) for obamaphone. Loook et soo peretty!

Obama_Baby_Obamaphone.jpg

Pedejo latinos voted 71% for obama.....the power of freebees

You're riding a thin line with this comment. Lots of Latinos on this board, including some hardcore Repubs...right Dugout Dad?

FYI...my DD is a "Quarter bean".

It is what it is, an unbelievable 71%.

I am 100% Latino, the situation is shameful because most Latinos have more in common with the republicans than the democrats. But they are abandoning their culture and values and trading them in for the freebees and entitlements. They are falling for the same democratic trap that doomed the black family culture. Today, 53.3% of all Hispanic births are to un-wed mothers, that number was 23% in 1980. 72% of all Black births are to un-wed mothers, that number was 57% in 1980. Some don't marry so they can collect on the government benefits that otherwise they would lose if they were married. How can we defeat this mentality?