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by Pale Rider » Tue Dec 09, 2014 7:25 pm

Today a Congressional group grilled MIT professor and Obamacare architect Jonathan Gruber on Tuesday for his remarks on American voters and the passage of the Affordable Care Act....aka Obamacare...Gruber has basically said that the American voter was to stupid to understand the bill...and that the POTUS knew he was lying about premium costs etc...

But on another note, another group publicly released its findings on CIA program to detain and interrogate terrorism suspects in the years after the Sept. 11 attacks, drawing on millions of internal C.I.A. documents to illuminate practices that it said were more brutal — and far less effective — than the agency acknowledged either to Bush administration officials or to the public.

Funny they can pour over 6,000,000 documents to try to sound intelligent and take 'blame'...but barbeque an MIT professor who helped THEM write and blindly pass (illegally) a 2000 page bill...That nobody read...which Nutso Pelosi proclaimed "you had to pass to read...?"
Pelosi also BRAGGED in the past using Grubers name as an expert 'in the numbers part of Obamacare'

What in the hell are these politicians smoking...and on which planet...?
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by PDad » Wed Dec 10, 2014 1:15 pm

Pale Rider wrote:But on another note, another group publicly released its findings on CIA program to detain and interrogate terrorism suspects in the years after the Sept. 11 attacks, drawing on millions of internal C.I.A. documents to illuminate practices that it said were more brutal — and far less effective — than the agency acknowledged either to Bush administration officials or to the public.

This report was obviously released as a parting shot by the Dems before they lose control of the committee. The minority report (see http://www.intelligence.senate.gov/study2014/sscistudy3.pdf) rebuts most of the claims in the Dems' report without completely absolving and/or endorsing what occurred. Politico wrote:

The Chambliss report does not completely absolve the CIA of wrongdoing, noting that the program “had flaws” and citing at least one CIA source who had fabricated information. The senators also say that the U.S. needs to have a “serious debate” regarding “whether the CIA should operate a clandestine detention program and whether it is in America’s interests to interrogate suspected terrorists using methods beyond those in the U.S. Army Field Manual.”

The senators were also careful to note that their conclusion that enhanced interrogation techniques proved effective in the past “should not be read as an endorsement of any of these particular enhanced interrogation techniques.”


Here is the conclusion of the minority report.

The Study concludes that the CIA was unprepared to initiate a program of indefinite, clandestine detention using coercive interrogation techniques, something we found obvious, as no element of our government was immediately prepared to deal with the aftermath of what had happened on September 11, 2001. In reviewing the information the CIA provided for the Study, however, we were in awe of what the men and women of the CIA accomplished in their efforts to prevent another attack. The rendition, detention, and interrogation program they created, of which enhanced interrogation was only a small part, enabled a stream of collection and intelligence validation that was unprecedented. The most important capability this program provided had nothing to do with enhanced interrogation - it was the ability to hold and question terrorists, who, if released, would certainly return to the fight, but whose guilt would be difficult to establish in a criminal proceeding without compromising sensitive sources and methods. The CIA called the detention program a "crucial pillar of US counterterrorism efforts, aiding intelligence and law enforcement operations to capture additional terrorists, helping to thwart terrorist plots, and advancing our analysis of the al-Qa'ida target." We agree. We have no doubt that the CIA's detention program saved lives and played a vital role in weakening al-Qa'ida while the Program was in operation.
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