PDad wrote:Sam wrote:PDad wrote:Sam wrote:You might want to exhibit some humility over the landslide win that wouldn't have happened without Wikileaks and the stupid democratic team surrounding the most seriously flawed candidate ever to run for president.
You might want to dial back on that - we can argue over who was the most flawed ever. Undisputed is they both had the highest unfavorable poll numbers ever, however that doesn't go back very far.
I don't recall anyone running that was under imminent threat of federal indictment for failure to protect sensitive Govt information and for selling access/participating in bribery of the State Department.
You got somebody more flawed?
A lot of us thought HRC should have been indicted, however the odds were very long against it because she avoided incriminating herself and was protected by the WH. Nixon in '72 was under the Watergate cloud that ultimately resulted in him resigning and being pardoned.
Losers of biggest landslides would count as more flawed candidates, at least in the context of those elections. I'm confident there are candidates that are/were more flawed on a personal level, especially when you consider independents and minor parties.
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. Clinton lost the primary on 2008 to an accomplish-less senator with no experience other than being a community organizer when she was supposed to run away with the nomination and the general election. She then proceeded to barely win the nomination this year when the primary was fixed by her party and lost the general election to a guy who had less political experience than Obama. The criminality she has engaged in was ignored by political hacks in the Justice Department but not by voters. Those of us in the DoD know full well that her State Department emails and attachments were classified and any regular person doing the same deeds would already be in jail. Her arguments about information sent to her being not marked as classified are the most laughable. She was a classification official, the top such person at the State Department. She is trained to recognize classified information and attach proper classification designation. The FBI allowed her to argue the unarguable. The circumstantial evidence of her selling her office is even more mountainous......but I digress.
Nixon won in a real landslide, losing only MA and Washington DC. Flawed, but his offenses involving the coverup have only been perfected by the Clintons.
Hillary is the most flawed because she lost twice, overcoming overwhelming odds that she would win all the above-referenced elections. One could even argue that she would have lost the primary this year to Sanders had there been an even playing field.
Perhaps our personal definitions of "flawed" vary.