There are clearly good players who became good coaches, but just because you were a good player does not automatically mean you are a good coach. I too have met and dealt with people who played at a high level, but are terrible instructors. Some who played at a high level are not good communicators, some are just bad at teaching the game, others are not good at analyzing mechanics, while others flat out have no clue that what they are teaching is wrong. This is because some good athletes don't even understand the mechanics of what they did that gave them success. As a result they teach many of the regurgitated myths which constantly float around baseball and softball parks around the country instead of the realities that they don't understand.
Blue, you hit the nail on the head. Just because someone played at a high level does not automatically mean that they can coach at a high level.
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I love how everyone here considers 12U, 14, 16 and 18U northern Cal softball to be "the highest level". That is absurd folks. It's not even the minor leagues if you parallel other sports in this country. Sure it's better competition than HS, but that a'int saying much. It is where the players cut their teeth. Once they get to college, if they are so lucky, then they get real good. It is all relative is what I am saying.
As far as coaches, the best female team coach can only be the female athlete that played at a high level (note I didn't say the highest) and has a psychology degree, or something close to that. Sorry to break it to you fellow dad's that coach out there, but we will NEVER know what it's like to be a 12, 15, or 18 year old GIRL. If you have kids you at least spent some time around women, even possibly married one, now we have daughters. They are different creatures, I know we can all agree on that. Hence, they are different athletes. We can try to relate but we will never truly know what is going on in their heads. note again - I said different not better or worse, just different. I'd put a 12U softball A team up against any similar aged boy's team and the girls would eat them boys for lunch. It matters more to them and they play harder and cry less!
Talent trumps all and remember what Candrea calls his pitchers - God's most delicate creatures". A'int that the truth. Having said that, all pitchers are whacked, boys, men, girls, females alike. crazy the lot of them!
Happy holidays all! Hit it where they a'int...
As far as coaches, the best female team coach can only be the female athlete that played at a high level (note I didn't say the highest) and has a psychology degree, or something close to that. Sorry to break it to you fellow dad's that coach out there, but we will NEVER know what it's like to be a 12, 15, or 18 year old GIRL. If you have kids you at least spent some time around women, even possibly married one, now we have daughters. They are different creatures, I know we can all agree on that. Hence, they are different athletes. We can try to relate but we will never truly know what is going on in their heads. note again - I said different not better or worse, just different. I'd put a 12U softball A team up against any similar aged boy's team and the girls would eat them boys for lunch. It matters more to them and they play harder and cry less!
Talent trumps all and remember what Candrea calls his pitchers - God's most delicate creatures". A'int that the truth. Having said that, all pitchers are whacked, boys, men, girls, females alike. crazy the lot of them!
Happy holidays all! Hit it where they a'int...
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Talent trumps all and remember what Candrea calls his pitchers - God's most delicate creatures". A'int that the truth. Having said that, all pitchers are whacked, boys, men, girls, females alike. crazy the lot of them!
I love it. Just look at the Colts coach. All of the sudden, he bumped his head and forgot what the heck he is doing. Same thing with the Cleveland Cavs coach. he went from the best record in the NBA to Lottery. he must have hit his head at the same time the Colts coach did.
I love it. Just look at the Colts coach. All of the sudden, he bumped his head and forgot what the heck he is doing. Same thing with the Cleveland Cavs coach. he went from the best record in the NBA to Lottery. he must have hit his head at the same time the Colts coach did.
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"As far as coaches, the best female team coach can only be the female athlete that played at a high level (note I didn't say the highest) and has a psychology degree, or something close to that."
Wow, that is just ridiculous, "or something close to that." In addition, a MALE coach (Mike Candrea) is quoted. That's a bit close to being contradictory and beware of making contradictions. For to make a contradiction is to admit that you have committed a major error in your thinking and reasoning. If such a catastrophic error is to occur in your thinking and reasoning then the result is that your argument is null and void.
"Having said that, all pitchers are whacked, boys, men, girls, females alike. crazy the lot of them!"
I wonder if the little second grader who is coloring her Santa Claus picture at school today has any idea that she is "whacked" and "crazy".To make such a statement is further evidence of such flawed thinking. With this reasoning the pitchers I know that range between the ages of 7-18 are "crazy"? I'm sure their parents would appreciate that.
Wow, that is just ridiculous, "or something close to that." In addition, a MALE coach (Mike Candrea) is quoted. That's a bit close to being contradictory and beware of making contradictions. For to make a contradiction is to admit that you have committed a major error in your thinking and reasoning. If such a catastrophic error is to occur in your thinking and reasoning then the result is that your argument is null and void.
"Having said that, all pitchers are whacked, boys, men, girls, females alike. crazy the lot of them!"
I wonder if the little second grader who is coloring her Santa Claus picture at school today has any idea that she is "whacked" and "crazy".To make such a statement is further evidence of such flawed thinking. With this reasoning the pitchers I know that range between the ages of 7-18 are "crazy"? I'm sure their parents would appreciate that.
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My OP to this thread was NEVER intended to SLAM anyone OR get personal, and had much more information than what type of coach to look for but, if you choose to pick it apart and make it about you than so be it. It was my OPINION, and I guess the hundreds of ex-D-1 college softball players have no clue what they are doing and have no right to teach the kids or coach in college, and we should have the local lawn mower guy doing infield clinics, whatever....
I will say this again, if we were to do it over again and if at all possible i would look for someone who played the game, knew how to relate, and knew how to teach it, thats all, take it for what its worth.
btw, Fernandez is very demanding and expects a LOT out of you as do all the other D-1 high profile programs, and the person you are talking about i assume, ended up winning the WCWS her senior year and graduated from UCLA, so Lisa must have been able to relate as with most freshman at high profile softball programs have a serious adjustment to the demands..
I will say this again, if we were to do it over again and if at all possible i would look for someone who played the game, knew how to relate, and knew how to teach it, thats all, take it for what its worth.
btw, Fernandez is very demanding and expects a LOT out of you as do all the other D-1 high profile programs, and the person you are talking about i assume, ended up winning the WCWS her senior year and graduated from UCLA, so Lisa must have been able to relate as with most freshman at high profile softball programs have a serious adjustment to the demands..
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I see now that it wasnt personal. My apologies. Very easy to make mistakes on a forum. Both in writing and in reading.
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To the response that a male coach will never understand what it's like to be a female you are 100% correct. The beauty of sport is it isn't gender specific. There is an accepted way coaches and players communicate and behave on the field. I find it funny that coaches feel you can yell at boys and they are supposed to take it. Boys are just as sensitive. They may not run to their parents. Instead they don't move. They mope. They check out. It's not much different. The only place where coaches can yell and get away with it is football. Even still a quality in all good coaches I have noticed is they don't say much during games, or they are just cheerleaders if they are to make noise.
At some point being a ball player is more to do about learning a skill and less about your anatomy. Said coach that isn't doing a good job with girls probably would not do better with boys.
At some point being a ball player is more to do about learning a skill and less about your anatomy. Said coach that isn't doing a good job with girls probably would not do better with boys.
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