ASA Tournaments and Mizuno Affiliation, is there concern??

[Sftball Junkie]

I have looked at pool play brackets for many years. It is pretty common practice to separate teams from the same org on Saturday Pool Play. If you watched the brackets during last spring and fall Gary as well as other tourney directors have always done this when they are able to. 99 hype did not play 00 Hype 99 Breeze did not play 00 Breeze Foothill Gold did not play Foothill Gold. He has always done this so I would say this is a fishing question trying to stir the crap like always.

I notice you did not ask why the Breeze and Heat teams are not in the same pool.

Grapettes have done the same RR Gold has done the same and Yes even DF NSA etc... have done the same. Hell even Fresno force separated the Mizuno teams in 10s and 12s last year. Keep in mind Gary’s ASA Tournaments is a business for him and has nothing to do with Mizuno All American. He was running tournaments before and will be in the future. All American has there own tournaments they are hosting and they have nothing to do with Gary.

I will ask you a question though. If Gary had started his team with Roseville Heat or Rocklin Hype would you be asking the same question???? Didn’t think so!

[mr.flamboyant]

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[ICMTM]

I thought DF went All World and is not affiliated with IFA?

Anyhow with there being choices in places to play I don't think any pf these TDs can afford to play favorites.

[intheknow]

I am more concerned with their website. With the advancement of the internet and online website building software. Why are they still in the 90s for their website?

ASA has a great site and about 1/3 of the US is using it and it is promoted by the National Office, the site is www.tournamentasa.com.

California ASA Commissioners has their choice to stay in the 90s or use the new site!!!

[dodgerblue]

At the end of the day you still need to go out and win games period. I don't know if you know this or not but life isn't fair you just have to deal with what is given to you. Happens in So Cal all the time, same teams manage to be on the same fields for showcases week in and week out you just learn to deal with it.

[onlooker]

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[watchtonsofsoftball]

I agree it's pretty standard for host teams to not potentially meet until final. A lot of times if that does happen that game is not played. Keeps from bitter feelings within org

[Tenshun]

How do you know that the names were taken out before the pools were drawn and that the pools were drawn randomly? I always assumed there was a bit of strategic "engineering" underlying brackets.

But like others have said, it's pretty common place to put teams from the same organization in different brackets. I think it'd disrupt the organizational harmony if a team run-ruled another team from the same org.

[Sftball Junkie]

Keep in mind Gary’s ASA Tournaments is a business for him and has nothing to do with Mizuno All American. He was running tournaments before and will be in the future. All American has there own tournaments they are hosting and they have nothing to do with Gary.

Correctamundo! in the past when Gary had NO affiliation and Mizuno was not given the luxury (it appears) of being put in a pool prior to a blind draw (read that again, put in a pool PRIOR to blind draw, which has nothing to do with stacking a trny for easy voctories, it ONLY ensures a path NOT against each other). Now that he has affiliated himself with (insert ANY FRIKIN ORG NAME HERE) Mizuno, the radar MUST be on to ensure pool play is kept random (at least that is MY belief).

Most likely in the past this was actually done prior to the pools being set. Your radar just was not up.

Prior to getting into Softball with my girls I ran baseball tourneys for Youth Travel Ball as well as some Adult Ball. It is common place if you have enough teams in a specific age group to take teams from the same Org and split them up prior to pulling the pool play random draw. Not sure how Gary does it but the way I would have done this in our current day situation would be:

If we only have 3 pools Mizuno would be put in a hat. The first 3 teams pulled would be split and the 4th team would be thrown into the single team random pull. If we had 4 pools the All American teams would each start in one pool. then I would take other Orgs who had multiple teams in the same age group like Breeze, Heat, Hype, Grapes, Smash, etc... each orgs teams would go in there own stack. I would draw 1 name and 1 pool number behind it to make it random but ensure these org's did not have to play each other. Then all other teams would get drawn. As a TD it makes the draw a pain however it works.

Again there is 2 sides to this. If you split them before you draw you are showing favoritism, yet since no one ever sees the random draw, If the random draw places the best team in the org against the worst you are padding it for the team who is the best to give them the #1 spot on Elimination Day.

I have had Baseball Orgs in the past request to play each other in pool play on Sat so they did not play each other early on Sunday. Since we are talking about Mizuno I will use them as the example. The last thing Mizuno Noe wants is to Play Mizuno Garcia at 8am Sunday and be done for the day. If they are in different pools in a straight bracket (No Gold Silver) this happens a lot with the young team vs the older team on elimination day. Again 2 sides. Are you helping the #1 team in the org by splitting the Org teams on Saturday when there is a good chance the play the younger team at 8 am in the morning on Elimination Day?

TD's are a lot like Ump's they are screwed no matter what call they make

[kl43dad]

But like others have said, it's pretty common place to put teams from the same organization in different brackets. I think it'd disrupt the organizational harmony if a team run-ruled another team from the same org.

This made me laugh I think it was our first 12u Tourney in fall. Just moved up from a great 10s season. Mizuno Garcia and My team Mizuno Lep were in different pools on Sat. We ended up paired for the first game Sunday. Garcia handed it to us and I mean gave it 2 us!!! in 2 and half innings we were done. I think this was the shortest softball game I had ever seen. Jose told me after "There is no way I was walking in the facility next week hearing how the little ones hung in there or gave us a close game."

Kinda Like Big brother Kicken Little Brothers butt all the time!!! Just wait Jose I have a bat and you gotta sleep sometime!!

I think it's a great thing, the only way these girls learn to get better is by playing the Best.