What is the average cost of a TB team up to now???

[Bleacher bug]

I am a Financial Planner so forgive me if I over analyze numbers

I would actually like an answer. I don't coach so maybe I am missing something but I think I am pretty close here??

I have talked with a few parents and emailed a few coaches about upcoming tryouts. I always ask what the projected fees and travel are and to me it seems the cost for TB is getting out of hand, I am confused at the wide range in price. After hearing the ranges I asked friends in 12s and 14s where they are at and it makes me wonder, where are the team fees going? What is all the fundraising for?

All of the teams I talked to have pretty solid travel schedules with 3 to 5 tournaments down south.

12’s: I am hearing fee structures from $750 to $2100 most of these teams have a minimum of 2 fund raisers. I was shocked to hear of a 12u team with $2100 in team fees expected plus an additional 5 to 6 mandatory fund raisers.

14’s I am hearing pretty much the same most teams are $900 to $1500 with a minimum of 2 fund raisers. I have also heard of two 14u teams with $2400 team fees and 4 to 5 mandatory fund raisers.

I figured out a little mock budget and thought I would share.

Tournament cost: 14u $8,735.00 Includes 13 tournaments, 5 of which are based So Cal showcases which average $675 per event, ASA local, Memorial Day, a PGF qualifier and the 14th tournament I figured 1500 for PGF Nationals. Keep in mind only 4 to 5 teams will use that $1500 Keep in mind only 4 to 5 teams will use that $1500. Do you get that $125 back if you don't go to PGF??

Tournament cost: 12u $8,400.00 Includes 13 tournaments, 5 of which are based So Cal events which average $550 per event, ASA local, Memorial Day, a PGF qualifier and the 14th tournament I figured 1500 for PGF Nationals. Keep in mind only 4 to 5 teams will use that $1500. Do you get that $125 back if you don't go to PGF??


ASA – PGF Reg: $675.00 Registration and Insurance Includes 12 players 4 coaches for both ASA and PGF.

Field/Indoor Rental: $2000.00 This included lighted fields or indoor use

Team Equipment: $250.00 Balls, Score books, Lineup cards and replacement equipment

Team Uniforms: $480.00 Average cost of a jersey x 12. Most teams make you return jersey’s so you should not need more then 1 new jersey per season.

Average 14u Expense $12140 / 12 players = Team Fees of $1012 per player. Note: Most 14u teams carry 13 to 14 players which would drop that to as low as $870 per player.

Average 12u Expense $11805 / 12 players = Team Fees of $984 per player Note: Most 12u teams carry 12 if you are a large roster at 14 that would drop as low as $844 per player.

If my Team Fees are $750 to $850 with a few fund raisers I get it. If I am in the $1000 – $1100 range w no fund raisers I get it. If I am going to be above that I would like to know where my money is going.

Based on an average of $1000 for Spring – Summer. Every $100 above a $1000 Team fee is $1200 to $1400 per team of extra income. Every fund raiser should net an average of $100 per player (some more some less but average should be $100) which is another $1200 to $1400 of extra income per fund raiser. If your team fees are $1400 per player, with two mandatory fund raisers that is $7200 - $8400 extra income. Let’s split the crazy high numbers’s at $2200 with five fund raisers. Your team has an extra income of $20,400 to $23,800.

Where is YOUR money going???

[SeeBallHitBall]

If your team has non-parent coaches, there could be travel expenses covered. Did you include those?

I didn't look too closely at your break-out but I do agree fees are seemingly ever increasing, not to the level of Volleyball but in due time.

If there are three coaches with three out of area tourneys, you are looking at hotel/gas/food. Perhaps that is an extra $1000 a pop so an extra $300-$400 per player to cover coaches travel and don't forget pin costs.

I will gladly forego a fundraiser. I don't need to sell any more candy or end up with all the gift cards.

[fairball]

[quote]Your team has an extra income of $20,400 to $23,800. /quote]



What a ridiculous assessment! I'm glad your not managing my money!

[Old man softball]

Sounds like someone just heard about the lions spring fees and all there fund raisers.

[sir88]

If you are looking into Lady Magic or Ltg Lions you forgot to include the cost of the girls on scholarship.

[Bleacher bug]

See Ball Hit Ball had something productive. I Didn't think about Non Parent coached teams, It's pretty rare to have non parent coaches in 12s and 14s let alone 3 of them on one team. If your spending more then 4 to 5K a year on coaches travel you need to talk with the coach.

Your team has an extra income of $20,400 to $23,800. /quote]



What a ridiculous assessment! I'm glad your not managing my money!

Obviously Fair Ball does not know where the extra 20K is going on his team!!! Enjoy your Wall-Mart retirement plan…

I will dumb it down for you I know variables get confusing

Team A plays the same 14 tournaments as Team B

Team A has 14 players and charges $1000 with no fund raisers which is $14,000 Total Income. (I figured that out with a multiplication problem $1000 x 14 = $14,000)

Team B has 14 players and charges $2200 with 5 fund raisers which net $100 per player which is $37800 Total Income. (I figured that out with another multiplication problem, this one is a bit harder because it also has some addition. $2200 x 14 = $30,800 + 5 Fund Raisers x $100 each x 14 Players = $7000 Then you must add the two together $30,800 + $7,000 = 37,800)

This part gets real silly Subtraction Team B 37,800 – Team A 14,000 = $23,800 Total Income Team B has over Team A… Sorry to go all 4th grade math on you but that was how I came up with my numbers.

Might I first ask what is so ridiculous about this assessment. Maybe you felt the question was an attack? It was a serious question I don't understand why people are not asking the coach or org where is the money going?

So I ask again, Where did your $23,800 go??? Wait for it….. Wait for it…..

The light bulb just came on didn't it

[CTCBAT]

The simple answer is to ask. You really should be given a budget at the beginning of the session that explains what you are paying for. If not it's just not a good practice.

[Bookend]

I'm going to have to agree that this board needs a "like" button.

[WhoMe]

Being a financial person myself, I will throw a variable at you. Many tournaments, especially as you get older, you need to pay about a year in advance (Sparkler/Firework/Independence). Take $1500 out of your total.

You would never bleed a company dry on a yearly basis so you have to have a level of retained earnings to remain solvent.

You deal with the people who stiff teams or, in some instances, orgs that will help a ball player when if they would not be able afford travel costs.

I agree in part with what you are saying but then, a good org can turn around and say that they are giving you a solid ROI.

[genbender69]

Tournament fees are accurate. $8-9K

Coaching Travel No Kids on the team: $8-10K

Uniform and Gear: $6-8K

Field Permits: $1K
Webmaster: $1500
CPA:$150
Administration Fee: 300
DOJ Background checks on coaches: $150 ACE BG is a JOKE
Directors, Officers Liability and Crime Insurance: $119
ASA, PGF, $500
Team Profile Printing $300.00

That right there is $30019 / 14 players = $2144.21 then factor in $1000 cushion for player fees are around $2215

This is all for a 14U team that travels to So Cal, CO, Vegas etc.