Sam wrote:It was bull$hit when ASA did it and it is bull$hit now when Premier is doing it. No reason to justify it other than it puts money in somebody's pocket. Funny how people on this board who complained about ASA doing it, will support Premier doing it. Its crap.
Stay where you want to stay. If you don't get invited back next year after you qualify in one of their tournaments, you trash them....maybe even sue them. Play somewhere else that is more accomodating.
It Premier keeps doing crap like this, folks will find a better alternative....which is what they thought Premier was when they left ASA in droves. The marketplace will weed out suppliers who don't accomodate their customers.
MTR wrote:But here is the problem with this argument, ASA doesn't do this!!!!! What??? Yeah, it is correct. It is the responsibility of the local municipality, CVB, COB, Parks & Rec, etc., whichever organization was awarded the tournament, to provide umpires and ASA reps lodging and transportation and yeah they make deals with hotels for comp rooms, just like every other organization in the world. But that isn't ASA.
PDad wrote:MTR wrote:As a not-for-profit organization, I expect ASA to look out for its members. They should be held to a higher standard than for-profit businesses like NASCAR. As the NGB of softball that aspires to hold THE national championship, they should be concerned about affordability for participants.
I agree with Skarp, just charge what you are going to charge.
PDad wrote:ASA is not directly involved in it, but they are complicit and profit by it. It is ASA's event and the bid amount is a factor when they choose the host. Bidders with the most to gain (i.e. little competition for teams' housing and meal business) are able to offer larger bid amounts.
Bidders are supposed to disclose all fees for teams, including housing surcharges. What is the norm for housing surcharges? Does ASA use this information to make sure the fees are reasonable for teams or to evaluate whether ASA's slice of the pie is big enough?
As a not-for-profit organization, I expect ASA to look out for its members. They should be held to a higher standard than for-profit businesses like NASCAR. As the NGB of softball that aspires to hold THE national championship, they should be concerned about affordability for participants.
I can't find a copy of ASA's official bid form. It would be reasonable to require bidders disclose the number of hotel rooms, by rating, within a specified distance from the fields (30-45 minutes?) and the number of rooms blocked for each rating with price info. JMO
tcannizzo wrote:PDad wrote:As a not-for-profit organization, I expect ASA to look out for its members. They should be held to a higher standard than for-profit businesses like NASCAR. As the NGB of softball that aspires to hold THE national championship, they should be concerned about affordability for participants.
If you know anything about business, "not-for-profit" is only a tax status; not the way you run the show.
Whether it is the AMA, Red Cross, Boy's Clubs/Girl's Clubs, et al, they are running a business, and like any business they need to be profitable if they are to continue as an organization.
Out of curiosity, would you care to extoll the virtues of NASCAR? The "sport" that was born of rum-runners in competition? Unless the higher standard you are referring to is the proof/% of alcohol in their product.
PDad wrote:tcannizzo wrote:PDad wrote:As a not-for-profit organization, I expect ASA to look out for its members. They should be held to a higher standard than for-profit businesses like NASCAR. As the NGB of softball that aspires to hold THE national championship, they should be concerned about affordability for participants.
If you know anything about business, "not-for-profit" is only a tax status; not the way you run the show.
I know quite a bit about business - I'm able to effectively interact with controllers, CPAs and CFOs along with all types of operational management. NFPs are run differently because there are limitations in the amount of money they can carry over from year to year. Stockholders don't like it when their publicly held corporation is run like an NFP.Whether it is the AMA, Red Cross, Boy's Clubs/Girl's Clubs, et al, they are running a business, and like any business they need to be profitable if they are to continue as an organization.
Hmmm, notice all those organizations have something in common - like existing for the benefit of its members or a cause rather than just to make money. They get most of their money from corporate sponsors and private donors - not by selling an opportunity to make money off the members they're supposed to be benefitting.
NFPs need to bring in enough money to cover their expenses, hopefully reasonable ones, and the rest is supposed to be for the benefit of its members and/or cause.Out of curiosity, would you care to extoll the virtues of NASCAR? The "sport" that was born of rum-runners in competition? Unless the higher standard you are referring to is the proof/% of alcohol in their product.
You need to ask MTR about NASCAR's virtues - he's the one that keeps bringing them up as a justification for the high hotel rates. As for higher standard - you got it backward - I said I hold ASA to a higher standard than NASCAR.