Shame on you PGF!!!

[PDad]

I don't have a problem with pick up players, as long as there are rules in place that govern the how to.

PGF is a little different, because of they are in their infancy, there are still qualifiers that don't make, especially at the younger age groups, and at large berths are granted after the qualifiers are over. If they feel that will continue, they can put a rule in that says rosters from the qualifiers are frozen until such a time that all berths have been awarded and accounted for. At that point the roster jockeying can begin.

PGF could easily implement that rule because the player isn't going to play for the other team until after all the berths have been awarded anyway. From what I've read, players aren't allowed to participate in qualifiers for multiple teams.

[PDad]

... I also agree that kids should, in most cases, stick out their end of the commitment. When I have seen this in the past, coaches often did not stick out their end of the commitment. Yet people feel kids need keep theirs, even when the coach does not.

Are you referring to coaches that arrange for their DD to be picked up and leave the rest of the team high and dry?

[BIG DADDY 24]

I don't have a problem with pick up players, as long as there are rules in place that govern the how to.

PGF is a little different, because of they are in their infancy, there are still qualifiers that don't make, especially at the younger age groups, and at large berths are granted after the qualifiers are over. If they feel that will continue, they can put a rule in that says rosters from the qualifiers are frozen until such a time that all berths have been awarded and accounted for. At that point the roster jockeying can begin.

PGF could easily implement that rule because the player isn't going to play for the other team until after all the berths have been awarded anyway. From what I've read, players aren't allowed to participate in qualifiers for multiple teams.

Doesn't this also apply to kids that participated in a qualifier with 1 team, then leave for another team that also participated in a qualifier, and both teams end up at nationals ??????? And if so --- did both of the teams, this post is about participate in qualifiers ???????

[PDad]

... PGF is a little different, because of they are in their infancy, there are still qualifiers that don't make, especially at the younger age groups, and at large berths are granted after the qualifiers are over. If they feel that will continue, they can put a rule in that says rosters from the qualifiers are frozen until such a time that all berths have been awarded and accounted for. At that point the roster jockeying can begin.

PGF could easily implement that rule because the player isn't going to play for the other team until after all the berths have been awarded anyway. From what I've read, players aren't allowed to participate in qualifiers for multiple teams.

Doesn't this also apply to kids that participated in a qualifier with 1 team, then leave for another team that also participated in a qualifier, and both teams end up at nationals ??????? And if so --- did both of the teams, this post is about participate in qualifiers ???????

It's a different situation than what you posted early on and it seems both were handled correctly.
- Both teams participated in the same qualifier - Team A qualified and Team X did not.
- Apparently, players left Team X to join Team A.
- Team X then received an At Large berth.
Please don't rehash this unless you've read from viewtopic.php?p=280582#p280582 on...

[CULater]

... PGF is a little different, because of they are in their infancy, there are still qualifiers that don't make, especially at the younger age groups, and at large berths are granted after the qualifiers are over. If they feel that will continue, they can put a rule in that says rosters from the qualifiers are frozen until such a time that all berths have been awarded and accounted for. At that point the roster jockeying can begin.

PGF could easily implement that rule because the player isn't going to play for the other team until after all the berths have been awarded anyway. From what I've read, players aren't allowed to participate in qualifiers for multiple teams.

Doesn't this also apply to kids that participated in a qualifier with 1 team, then leave for another team that also participated in a qualifier, and both teams end up at nationals ??????? And if so --- did both of the teams, this post is about participate in qualifiers ???????

It's a different situation than what you posted early on and it seems both were handled correctly.
- Both teams participated in the same qualifier - Team A qualified and Team X did not.
- Apparently, players left Team X to join Team A.
- Team X then received an At Large berth.
Please don't rehash this unless you've read from viewtopic.php?p=280582#p280582 on...

I guess this is where we disagree. If Team X subsequently received an at large berth, apparently not all of the berths had been awarded or accounted for.

In this case (the 12U national), it was obvious pretty early on that qualifiers were being cancelled and that in order for the tournament to take place, there would need to be extra berths to be given out, or extra qualifiers scheduled in the areas where there was substantial interest.

Here is a hypothetical, Team A is an invited team, Team Z plays in the Arizona qualifer and finishes 5th and the Dallas qualifier and finishes 4th. Team Z thinks they are done, and manager for Team A calls and asks to pick up pitcher and hitter from Team Z. No problem, they are finished with PGF qualifiers anyway. Team A makes the roster additions, then the next two qualifiers don't make. PGF calls Team Z and gives them the berth based on their finish in the two qualifiers they did play. No one did anything wrong and there was no malicious intent to circumvent the rules, but team Z is now without 2 players.

One item that is being overlooked is that all PGF qualifiers are open, any team from any part of the country can sign up and attempt to qualify at any qualifier. Because of that fact, rosters should be frozen until all qualifiers are completed.

[PDad]

... PGF is a little different, because of they are in their infancy, there are still qualifiers that don't make, especially at the younger age groups, and at large berths are granted after the qualifiers are over. If they feel that will continue, they can put a rule in that says rosters from the qualifiers are frozen until such a time that all berths have been awarded and accounted for. At that point the roster jockeying can begin.

PGF could easily implement that rule because the player isn't going to play for the other team until after all the berths have been awarded anyway. From what I've read, players aren't allowed to participate in qualifiers for multiple teams.

Doesn't this also apply to kids that participated in a qualifier with 1 team, then leave for another team that also participated in a qualifier, and both teams end up at nationals ??????? And if so --- did both of the teams, this post is about participate in qualifiers ???????

It's a different situation than what you posted early on and it seems both were handled correctly.
- Both teams participated in the same qualifier - Team A qualified and Team X did not.
- Apparently, players left Team X to join Team A.
- Team X then received an At Large berth.
Please don't rehash this unless you've read from viewtopic.php?p=280582#p280582 on...

I guess this is where we disagree. If Team X subsequently received an at large berth, apparently not all of the berths had been awarded or accounted for.

I believe Big Daddy was questioning - under the rules that currently exist, not with your proposal - why these 2 players were allowed to change teams and the player in his case was not.

blah, blah, blah...
rosters should be frozen until all qualifiers are completed.

No, your proposal is (paraphrased) rosters are frozen until all berths to be awarded have been awarded. As you originally recognized, berths can still be awarded after the last qualifier.

I already seconded your proposal. No one is objecting. Passes by unanimous consent!

[Dugout Dad]

[NumeroUno]

So there is this team the head coach tells the parents we are going to Park City to Triple Crown but we are going to play in a premier qualifier. Knowing his team is just an average team he never thought they would get a pgf berth. Parents buy plane tickets get hotel rooms rent cars and they are getting ready for Utah. The team plays in PGF qualifier and does not get a berth. 2 players let the head coach know they are going to PGF with another team but they are still going to play in Utah with him. Everything is set until the coach gets a call after many emails sent that he is going to get a free berth to PGF. He wants the 2 players back and decided to cancel the Park City trip which makes many families very unhappy knowing that they already spent money planning on going to TC in Park City Utah.. now what

[NumeroUno]

right off the so cal coast 10 to 50 feet off shore and he has many family members and friends

[stars99]

So there is this team the head coach tells the parents we are going to Park City to Triple Crown but we are going to play in a premier qualifier. Knowing his team is just an average team he never thought they would get a pgf berth. Parents buy plane tickets get hotel rooms rent cars and they are getting ready for Utah. The team plays in PGF qualifier and does not get a berth. 2 players let the head coach know they are going to PGF with another team but they are still going to play in Utah with him. Everything is set until the coach gets a call after many emails sent that he is going to get a free berth to PGF. He wants the 2 players back and decided to cancel the Park City trip which makes many families very unhappy knowing that they already spent money planning on going to TC in Park City Utah.. now what

And this team is??????