Las Vegas Qualifier - Brackets Posted FINAL

[ontheblack]

It appears a few of you actually did get jacked up by the heat.

[SLEEVE]

So since BB's played less games because they didn't lose and stayed in the winner's bracket then they shouldn't be given the berth? So you're saying FC's should have gotten the berth because they were sent to the loser's bracket (by the BB's) and played an extra game therefore having a 4-1 record versus a 3-1 record? Please help me understand your logic.

[SLEEVE]

The Won-loss records except among undefeated teams rule comes AFTER the team that advanced the furthest in the winner’s bracket rule therefore BB's should have gotten the berth.

[PDad]

And you are mistaken as it has been shown repeatedly in this thread. Look at the bracket. The last game in the winners bracket was game #11. After that game FC dropped into the loser bracket. How can you argue that coming back into the winners bracket means you were in the winners bracket longer??
Can you tell me who involved in this is related to each other so I can understand your Nepotism angle?

It doesn't state "longer" it says advanced furthest. If you look at the bracket as a map. 1st game being the starting point. Championship game being the ending point. Who was in the winners bracket at the furthest point of the tournament?
We all know what it is meant to say. But.... that's not what it says.

OMG, you and Luther really don't understand winners and losers brackets. Does your family tree look like an Italian Cypress?

Here are the standard definitions and conventions of double elimination.
- Winners bracket only has undefeated teams in it.
- Losers bracket has teams with 1 loss.
- The winners and losers brackets end just before the championship game(s). Where the winner and loser of the first championship game are drawn on the bracket is meaningless regarding the winners and losers brackets.

The championship finals of a double elimination tournament is usually set up to be a possible two games. The rationale is that since the tournament is indeed double elimination, it is unfair to have the Winners' Bracket champion eliminated with its first loss. Therefore, while the Winners' Bracket champion needs to beat the Losers' Bracket champion only once to win the tournament, the Losers' Bracket champion must beat the Winners' Bracket champion twice.

FC-Y were the losers bracket champion and did not rise back into the winners bracket by getting into the championship game or by winning it.

[Luther]

The BB Lost the Championship game to FC-Young and they got a berth for doing so.

[PDad]

The BB Lost the Championship game to FC-Young and they got a berth for doing so.

Yes, by virtue of having beaten FC-Y in the winners bracket. If another team had knocked FC-Y into the losers bracket, FC-Y would have gotten the berth based on head-to-head competition.

[SLEEVE]

Cocaine is a hell of a drug!!!

[MoeFoes]

The BB Lost the Championship game to FC-Young and they got a berth for doing so.

Yes, by virtue of having beaten FC-Y in the winners bracket. If another team had knocked FC-Y into the losers bracket, FC-Y would have gotten the berth based on head-to-head competition.

I get it now...... So lets recap...
The win loss rule only apply to winners bracket wins.....
The term Advanced the furthest in the winners bracket actually means "The team that went undefeated the longest in bracket play" not who was on top when the tournament was called?
Brackets are only for the games up to the championship game. After which they are no longer brackets?
If both teams in the final have suffered a loss they are both in the losers bracket fighting to be the Losers Champion?
The winner of the 1st championship game is actually still the loser if they came from the losers bracket. If they win the 2nd championship "If" game then they become the Losers Champion since they can never re-enter the winners bracket?
And if all else fails its "Because I said so"

[fastpitchdad05]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPa5oVG-nII

[PDad]

The BB Lost the Championship game to FC-Young and they got a berth for doing so.

Yes, by virtue of having beaten FC-Y in the winners bracket. If another team had knocked FC-Y into the losers bracket, FC-Y would have gotten the berth based on head-to-head competition.

I get it now...... So lets recap...
The win loss rule only apply to winners bracket wins..... No and that didn't come into play. OCBB's win over FC-Y in the winners bracket meant the teams split the head-to-head (first tiebreaker), so it went to the next one - furthest in the winners bracket.
The term Advanced the furthest in the winners bracket actually means "The team that went undefeated the longest in bracket play" not who was on top when the tournament was called? Yes!
Brackets are only for the games up to the championship game. After which they are no longer brackets? Winners and losers brackets - yes!
If both teams in the final have suffered a loss they are both in the losers bracket fighting to be the Losers Champion? And here you go off the tracks again trying to continue winners and losers brackets into the championship games...
The winner of the 1st championship game is actually still the loser if they came from the losers bracket. If they win the 2nd championship "If" game then they become the Losers Champion since they can never re-enter the winners bracket?
And if all else fails its "Because I said so" YES! Me, the quote from Wikipedia and everyone else that understands double elimination brackets...

You were making progress until you suffered a relapse... If the winners and losers brackets continue as you keep insisting, which bracket contains the first championship game? How do you know that based on the way the brackets drawn? There are 3 elements shown on every game - the 2 teams playing and the team that won - and you can't tie all 3 to either the winners or losers bracket based on the way they are drawn.