McCain-Feingold OUT!

[SoCalASABlue]

Agreed, Skarp.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

It's funny how the very last part of the First Amendment - to petition the Government for a redress of grievances - is interpreted by some as applying only to people that do not have any type of profit motive. I guess a small business owner that incorporates should also be considered a greedy bloodsucker if he petitions Congress to amend any legislation that he feels takes business away.

Funny how the howling starts with some SCOTUS decisions on things that are actually mentioned in the original Constitution while other SCOTUS decisions on subjects not specifically mentioned in the Constitution remain inviolable.

[carolinafan]

Skarp wrote:

I'm referring of people who reject the existence of moral absolutes, preferring rather the post-structuralist lunacy that everything is contextual...which of course allows the selection of purely utilitarian means to achieve (necessarily) arbitrary goals. (Without moral guideposts, all goals are arbitrary.)

Focusing on utility without reference to moral principles is how bureaucrats become tyrants and mass murderers. And yes, that is what I think of liberals, and their never-ending parade of arbitrary, often inconsistent goals that they will happily advance from the business end of a gun.

I guess slavery in the south and the subsequent civil war were ok for the U.S.. I mean, our moral compass was just great back then. I suppose only liberal southerners owned slaves.....I missed that fact in my American History classes in high school and college.

Skarp, you keep going on about how liberals are so bbaaaadddd.....believe it or not, some of us lefties are good people. Your intolerance for any other viewpoint but your own truly shows your ignorance of our great society. The best part about being American is the right to speak out with what we believe and not get slaughtered for it. So, hey, let's just say we have our differences and move on. You will never convince me that the right is the way to go, and I will never convince you the left is the way......why do you constantly have to belittle anyone who has a differing view of your opinion? I said to Joe once that anyone who has to brag about his/her sexual prowess must be compensating for something. Perhaps you are a closet liberal who does not want anyone to know, so you ridicule anyone with an opposing view.

Like someone else says on here, but too damn old to remember: PEACE!!!!

[Skarp]

I guess slavery in the south and the subsequent civil war were ok for the U.S.. I mean, our moral compass was just great back then. I suppose only liberal southerners owned slaves.....I missed that fact in my American History classes in high school and college.

Skarp, you keep going on about how liberals are so bbaaaadddd.....believe it or not, some of us lefties are good people. Your intolerance for any other viewpoint but your own truly shows your ignorance of our great society. The best part about being American is the right to speak out with what we believe and not get slaughtered for it. So, hey, let's just say we have our differences and move on. You will never convince me that the right is the way to go, and I will never convince you the left is the way......why do you constantly have to belittle anyone who has a differing view of your opinion? I said to Joe once that anyone who has to brag about his/her sexual prowess must be compensating for something. Perhaps you are a closet liberal who does not want anyone to know, so you ridicule anyone with an opposing view.

Like someone else says on here, but too damn old to remember: PEACE!!!!

The issue is whether it is correct to refer to principles to guide our decision-making, or whether we should just generate random decisions that make us happy at the time. The fact that someone at some point--or everyone at many points, for that matter--has failed to adhere to correct principles in the past is completely irrelevant to the question of whether we should adhere to those principles. That's a standard liberal rhetorical ploy, by the way--the old "Jefferson owned slaves, so nothing he ever wrote about anything has any value..." Fallacious as hell. If Hitler said "killing people is immoral," would he have been wrong about that simply because he was a mass murderer?

Conservatives recognize the existence of certain core principles, and are thus to a certain extent bound by them. Liberals are bound by nothing but their own capricious preferences. Do conservatives always live up to their principles? Of course not. But liberals don't even recognize a duty to try. That's why "hypocrite" is a favorite liberal pejorative. It only goes one way. Because you can't be a hypocrite if you don't stand for anything.

Slavery went against the core principles of this country (as articulated in the constitution), and against the core principles of conservatism, which above all things respects the dignity and autonomy of the individual person. (And Lincoln was a Republican, by the way...in case you missed that in history class too...) Liberalism does not value individual dignity or autonomy, and in fact always talks about people in terms of groups...class, race, sex, etc. Most importantly, according to liberalism the individual is subservient to the collective. The individual may be denied the right to pursue his definition of the good life, and the fruits of individual labor and ingenuity may be stolen to serve the greater "good" (as defined by liberals). In short, under the tenets of liberalism it is not only permissible for the individual to be enslaved...it is right and correct to do so.

I most certainly do NOT "belittle anyone who has a differing view." I criticize flawed ideas, which is an entirely legitimate thing to do. I would ask why you persist in characterizing that as a personal attack, but I've already answered that question elsewhere on this board.

Rather than complain about my comments, which is at base nothing more than an effort to silence discussion, why don't you try actually defending your beliefs? Do you ever see me telling someone to shut up or to drop a topic, or taking offense because someone voices opinions I disagree with? No, you don't. So who is it again who is intolerant of other views and "ignorant of our great society?" Best check the mirror babe.

The Fairness Doctrine, hate speech laws, political spending limits, organized assaults on the free speech of others...these are liberal positions and tactics. Liberals only respect free speech to the extent that it agrees with them. Kinda like you wanting to drag me behind your car for saying things you didn't like, 'member? Back when love first blossomed between us?

You are right that one of the best things about America is the right to say what we believe and not get slaughtered for it. I speak out against liberalism precisely because I want to keep it that way.

[weekend4trvl]

Black Widow - why do you and folks that agree with you NEVER mention that the labor unions have had carte blanche to spend what they want on political messages for years and all SCOTUS has done is now even the playing field? Or because they represent the "workers", somehow the unions are more noble and deserving of respect?

How about lobbyists, regardless of what cause they fight for? Are they greedy bloodsucking scum just like corporations that should have no voice?

When McCain-Feingold was first passed, there were even liberal talking heads (albeit not many) who said that it would not pass constitutional muster and would eventually be overturned.

Just be honest enough to admit that there are greedy bloodsuckers on both sides.

I believe unions are made up of "real people" too. The union spend my PAC money however they see fit and my employer does the same. I have no say in any of it.

[Skarp]

Black Widow - why do you and folks that agree with you NEVER mention that the labor unions have had carte blanche to spend what they want on political messages for years and all SCOTUS has done is now even the playing field? Or because they represent the "workers", somehow the unions are more noble and deserving of respect?

How about lobbyists, regardless of what cause they fight for? Are they greedy bloodsucking scum just like corporations that should have no voice?

When McCain-Feingold was first passed, there were even liberal talking heads (albeit not many) who said that it would not pass constitutional muster and would eventually be overturned.

Just be honest enough to admit that there are greedy bloodsuckers on both sides.

I believe unions are made up of "real people" too. The union spend my PAC money however they see fit and my employer does the same. I have no say in any of it.

Does your employer make you give it money for that purpose? The difference is that, when your employer spends money, it isn't your money.

[Dugout Dad]

That's right, liberals are all about freedom of speech, read on:

Women's groups urge CBS to pull Super Bowl ad
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN2612635220100126

[Dugout Dad]

The union spend my PAC money however they see fit and my employer does the same. I have no say in any of it.

mooooooooo

[blackwidow]

Corporations are People
Money is Speech
War is Peace
Freedom is Slavery
Ignorance is Strength
2+2=5

I get it now.

Peace.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5Qvrs8Z_N8

[Skarp]

Olbermann is an unmitigated jackass...and an idiot to boot. Him I will belittle.

Define irony: the blowhard mouthpiece of a multinational corporation with virtually limitless capacity to influence our elections complaining (complaining!!) that there are now no limits on the ability of corporations to influence our elections.

That's right, jackass...now you and your shameless ilk don't have a monopoly. Best of luck in the marketplace of ideas there bud.

Frickin' a-hole.

[Dugout Dad]

obama has no class, he openly calls out the Supreme Court over the McCain-Feingold ruling, show some respect. You can see in the video Alito mouth "not true". obama sees the constitution and legislative branches of government as obstacles to his crown. He believes that United States is a democracy and not a republic that is governed by laws. The video shows how uncomfortable the justices were, what a bully, a Chicago thug.

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=6148956n&tag=api