Worst Call in Moline !?! MG vs Birm Mustangs

[vcblue]

The ASA "Crash Rule" refers to a fielder who has possession of the ball and is waiting to make a tag. Doesn't seem to be the case here at all. This is a fielder in he act of fielding a batted ball and such a fielder has the right of way. The runner is obligated to not interfere, whether intentional or not.

If the "stolen" home run story is accurate, I'm shocked that umpires at the national level would call that. As described, that isn't a rule violation in any way, shape or form. Offensive coach should have filed a protest over that one.

Read the RS again and then watch the video. RS 13 clearly states when the ball/runner/player arrive at the same time you don't have a crash, OBS, or INT. Only a IC. The video clearly shows the ball/runner/player arriving at the same time.

[anonlooker]

The ASA "Crash Rule" refers to a fielder who has possession of the ball and is waiting to make a tag. Doesn't seem to be the case here at all. This is a fielder in he act of fielding a batted ball and such a fielder has the right of way. The runner is obligated to not interfere, whether intentional or not.

If the "stolen" home run story is accurate, I'm shocked that umpires at the national level would call that. As described, that isn't a rule violation in any way, shape or form. Offensive coach should have filed a protest over that one.

Read the RS again and then watch the video. RS 13 clearly states when the ball/runner/player arrive at the same time you don't have a crash, OBS, or INT. Only a IC. The video clearly shows the ball/runner/player arriving at the same time.

So if the runner barrels over the defender when the ball arrives, all is good? Thanks! Can't wait til fall ball starts so we can teach the kids some new base running strategies.

[Comp]

VC, now read rule supplement 33.

Defensive player must be given the opportunity to field the ball anywhere on the playing field or throw the ball without being hindered.

[Bretman]

Read the RS again and then watch the video. RS 13 clearly states when the ball/runner/player arrive at the same time you don't have a crash, OBS, or INT. Only a IC. The video clearly shows the ball/runner/player arriving at the same time.

Don't need to read it again, because I already understand that the "Crash Rule" applies to tag plays, not to fielders in the act of fielding a batted ball.

[anonlooker]

What year did RS 33 come out? Maybe VC's subscription expired.

How many rule supplements are there, anyway?

All of which begs the larger question... why is there rule stating IC if the ball, fielder, and runner collide simultaneously, and another that says the fielder has to be allowed to play the ball. Don't they pretty much contradict one another? Or does it just become a matter of semantics, and who knows which rule (supplement) better?

[PDad]

How many rule supplements are there, anyway? 55

All of which begs the larger question... why is there rule stating IC if the ball, fielder, and runner collide simultaneously, and another that says the fielder has to be allowed to play the ball. Don't they pretty much contradict one another? Or does it just become a matter of semantics, and who knows which rule (supplement) better?

As Bretman said, they cover 2 different situations. RS 13 applies to tag plays and RS 33 applies to fielders in the act of fielding a batted ball.

[TravelSoftballDad]

As we discussed earlier in the post....she never got the ball, she was trying to field it, if you will.

[anonlooker]

How many rule supplements are there, anyway? 55

All of which begs the larger question... why is there rule stating IC if the ball, fielder, and runner collide simultaneously, and another that says the fielder has to be allowed to play the ball. Don't they pretty much contradict one another? Or does it just become a matter of semantics, and who knows which rule (supplement) better?

As Bretman said, they cover 2 different situations. RS 13 applies to tag plays and RS 33 applies to fielders in the act of fielding a batted ball.

Bretman posted a split second before me, so I got the gist of the difference in application... and yet here we have 2 umpires (i think?) disagreeing on the application of rules for the same play. Somebody blows the call, pretty much like what happened at Nationals.

[MTR]

Don't forget the part where the ump refused to allow the UIC to be called to the field and then after the game the MG coach was told "you should have gotten the UIC".

Well, no, that would not be the correct thing to do. It just takes one, simple word, "protest". Without that at the proper time, you're wasting your time. But, you say "protest" and just stand in the middle of the infield and someone will go and get the UIC for you.

[MTR]

As we discussed earlier in the post....she never got the ball, she was trying to field it, if you will.

I agree with the INT call as long as the ball did not reach the player prior to the runner.