Is this really how they are "protecting us"?

[DonnieS]

Its time to shut that operation down. I know its a requirement when you work for the government or for a government controlled company, to check your ability to think at the gate - but this is crap.

While working for a defense contractor, we encountered a serious situation of metal fatigue on a major load bearing portion on a set of airplanes. The more that were checked , the more problems were found. The government answer ? Stop checking those areas of the plane ! How stupid are you - you find too many stress failures by checking for them, well sfb, quit checking for them. After quite some time, an auditor who was not following instructions (he got on base with a working brain) and said ' so no more downs from the web stress failures ?'. Another civilian said, 'No - we were told to stop doing those checks - so we could keep more planes flying.' He went 'ape shit' - and and found a higher ranking person who also wasnt following instructions and reported the problem to him. They contacted the manufacturer and got fixes for the downed planes. I am quite sure - with all honesty - that neither of those guys are still employed there - thank God, I found other work and left.

[blackwidow]

Your political overlords know what's best for you and our national security.. ...What you don't feel safer living in a virtual panopticon?


Congress Launches “Attack of the Drones”
Look! Up in the sky! Is it a bird? Is it a plane? It’s … a drone, and it’s watching you. That’s what privacy advocates fear from a bill Congress passed this week to make it easier for the government to fly unmanned spy planes in U.S. airspace.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... -near-you/

The CIA wants to spy on you through your TV: Agency director says it will 'transform' surveillance Spies will no longer have to plant bugs in your home - the rise of 'connected' gadgets controlled by apps will mean that people 'bug' their own homes, says CIA director David Petraeus.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/ ... z1pVG0RxM7

The Dept of Homeland Security's Future Attribute Screening Technology a Real-life "Minority Report" program gets a try-out…
An internal U.S. Department of Homeland Security document indicates that a controversial program designed to predict whether a person will commit a crime is already being tested on some members of the public voluntarily, CNET has learned.
DHS claimed the machine was accurate 70 percent of the time [and] the other 30 percent will probably get out of Guantanamo Bay in a couple of years. Read…

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/10/ ... 7207.shtml

http://youtu.be/WjbK6OE9jaM

James Bamford, expert on the National Security Agency, writes about its massive data collection center in Utah. He quotes a former NSA official William Binney (a senior NSA crypto-mathematician largely responsible for automating the agency’s worldwide eavesdropping network):
"We are that far from a turnkey totalitarian state," holding his thumb and forefinger close together.
Read…

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/0 ... nter/all/1

NDAA 2012 (H.R. 1540) – National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2012. NDAA 2012 allows for Americans to be indefinitely detained without access to an attorney or a trial by jury.
http://tenthamendmentcenter.com/2012/02 ... idnapping/

President Obama signs Executive Order allowing for government control over all US resources March 17, 2012
The National Defense Resources Preparedness order gives the Executive Branch the power to control and allocate energy, production, transportation, food, and even water resources by decree under the auspices of national defense and national security. The order is not limited to wartime implementation, as one of the order's functions includes the command and control of resources in peacetime determinations.
Read more..
http://www.examiner.com/finance-examine ... -resources

The War on Terror is a War on YOU.

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Peace

[blackwidow]

Didn't know the French were so sneaky....

another reason to say Thank you TSA and God Bless America.

I'll skip the pie, but please pass the freedom fries.

PEACE

[DonnieS]

Spaz, congrats on that idiot list , the 'foe' list, while I wouldnt call a cockroach a foe, its just something you step on and scoot it out of the way. Now I dont have to even see what the bw troll posts. I love that. I highly recommend it.

[Sid Barrett]

The real BW ???

[blackwidow]

Why does my post upset you so much?
Google the words TSA and abuse and you'll get over 8 million hits with links and articles that resemble Spaz's post and outrage.

I'm in total agreement with it and completely outraged by it. The TSA should be abolished.

I'm merely pointing out that the TSA is one small tip of a giant iceberg.
You post your sad little TSA outrage video. What is the point? Why did you post that video? There are hundreds just like them.
What type of discussion were you hoping to start?
Why not talk about the philosophy of statism vs the philosophy of liberty in what is supposed to be a free country.
What is your philosophy? Do you even have one?

The Philosophy of Liberty.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muHg86Mys7I

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To answer the original posted question Is this how they are protecting us?
YES it is how THEY protect the masses. **always note that THEY are not required to submit to the same protection.
The TSA is a perfect illustration of the unintended consequences of relying on a centralized, socialized, big government program to do what individual citizens should have the right and responsibility to do for themselves.

They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.

- Benjamin Franklin (1759)

“Conspiracy Theorist” – the taunt you use when you want to “win” the debate without having to argue your point."
PEACE

[ice_67]

Your political overlords know what's best for you and our national security.. ...What you don't feel safer living in a virtual panopticon?



The War on Terror is a War on YOU.

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Peace

Reminds me of George Orwell's book 1984

War is Peace
Freedom is Slavery
Ignorance is Strength

Telescreens and all.....

[Sid Barrett]

Widow, your posts and your philosophy are more amusing than upsetting. Your “philosophy of liberty” requires all peoples of the earth to essentially play by the same set of rules and share the same philosophy that you subscribe to. Unfortunately, history has demonstrated to us time and again that we are an imperfect species, incapable of sharing the same goals, religion and morals. Your utopian world is nice in thought but nothing more than a pipe dream, which most of us on the bucket are aware of. In addition, the fact that you continuously push this philosophy will inevitably lead all of us to question your sanity.

If you remove your rose colored glasses long enough, you would see that the world is, in reality, filled with every day people who are: a) not very nice, or: b) just plain evil. They commit unspeakable acts, both individually or collectively, to citizens who are not capable of protecting themselves or enlisting others to protect them. Thus, they turn to government to enact laws and “designates” to enforce those laws to protect them. In the United States, we have done a pretty fair job of enacting the right kinds of laws and enforcing those laws without bias. Although to be fair, there is still a considerable amount of work to be done in both areas.

The answer is not “the philosophy of liberty”, but rather a smaller government that enacts fewer laws, yet works more efficiently. And that is not a pipe dream. Don’t believe me??? Google “Ronald Reagan”.

[Dugout Dad]

This scene used to be funny, it's now reality. How prophetic. Movie came out 30 years ago (1982)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5S9H6RO0bKA

[blackwidow]

Sid your post makes no sense at all.

Did you read any of the links?

If pointing out the FACT that we
do not have smaller government that enacts fewer laws more efficiently
(it's growing by leaps and bounds daily as evidenced by my posts)
qualifies me as insane I'll wear that label proudly.
That IS my point.
To create smaller government, with fewer laws that works more efficiently. To abolish abusive federal departments. How can "we the people" do those things if we do not even know that they are happening?

Explain how we differ?

My philosophy of liberty requires nothing from all the peoples of the earth.
It is a philosophy that I (and many others) believe as the best hope for a free society and I hope to spread it whenever I can. But I can only live my philosophy. I cannot use force or coerce anyone to do the same. It's against my philosophy.

I care not about all the peoples of the earth. I care about America. I care about the US Constitution. I care about the Bill of Rights. Do YOU?

PS...Ronald Reagan increased the size of government as most politicians do.
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2009/03/05/6 ... rties.html
http://www.opm.gov/feddata/HistoricalTa ... ce1962.asp
http://mises.org/freemarket_detail.aspx?control=488


Meanwhile...

In case You Missed It..

In a previous post I put a link to a recent WIRED magazine article covering how
the NSA is building an enormous spy center, probably the biggest ever, in Bluffdale Utah. When construction is completed in 2013, the heavily fortified $2 billion facility will encompass 1 million square feet, including four 25,000-square-foot areas to house endless rows of high-powered servers. The center will be fed data collected by the agency’s eavesdropping satellites, overseas listening posts, and secret monitoring rooms in telecom facilities throughout the U.S.

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/0 ... nter/all/1

Well now we have exclusive drawings from the architect…Amazing.

http://static.panoramio.com/photos/orig ... 856546.jpg

Joseph Stalin would be so proud of what we've become in this country.




PEACE

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