state of your HS fields

[Vess Express]

Colleges drop men's sports all the time to balance out their numbers for title 9. Why couldn't HS do the same?
Are thre any laws that say they have to offer any sports at district expense?

Do you know which colleges have done that? Is that a common thing, and I am just unaware?


I am a little surprised that this is such a big issue in California. I have lived in two different states, and I have not seen this much of a problem with equality in fields, facilities, etc., at the HS level.

In Texas, there is still quite a bit of the old school guy, trying to sneak in a little extra in equipment, better coaching, etc., to the boy's programs, but nothing so obvious as the field inequality that appears (from this thread) to be going on in California. I have been even more surprised that a lot on here are okay with the treatment, or at least, not concerned enough to take any action against it.

To the poster who said that their 14 yr.old daugher is okay playing on a baseball field - do you think the baseball team would be okay playing on a softball field? Maybe they would be, just wondering how that would go over. My dd would not take that so well.

I thought about all of the schools I had been to in Texas, from 1A to 5A. Every one appeared to have a pretty equal allocation of money on their facilities between boys and girls - at least as far as baseball/softball facilities.

Maybe Donnie would have more input on the HS fields he has been to in Texas.

[Iluvblue]

You obviously do need to be educated, because what happened at Cal had NOTHING to do with title IX.

They dropped 4 sports due to budget constraints (2 men and 2 woman sports, an equal number that was not by accident.)

Those sports all raised funds just to continue having a program. So when the school accepted all of this money for the athletic programs in question, there was no title IX issue at hand. Had there been title IX issues facing Cal, they would have had to use that money to bring them into compliance, since they were already in compliance, they had no issues.

So instead of being an ass and popping off to me.... yeah, you need to get educated on this topic if you are going to open your mouth in regards to title IX issues.

[Iluvblue]

Spaz,

I actually insulted nobody, but your very first post on this thread starts off by telling me to " Get over it." because:
1) You dont understand the issues involved
2)You dont agree with the approach

then you finish off by calling me "Big guy."

I have pointed to various cases and FACTS and you have done nothing but spew false information.

This is actually pretty complicated in determining if schools are violating title IX. it isnt as simple as dollar for dollar spent. So I tried to simplify the issue as to avoid a long legal essay on the topic.

So when you pointed to Cal and then try to say Im contradicting myself, I pointed out how it works. Like I said earlier, this isnt about whether you agree with me or not, because I have said MANY times already that what I personally think is irrelevant, just as what you think is irrelevant.

[Coach11]

"To the poster who said that their 14 yr.old daugher is okay playing on a baseball field - do you think the baseball team would be okay playing on a softball field? Maybe they would be, just wondering how that would go over. My dd would not take that so well."

My daughter is 17 (about to be 18) now. Her comments were from a few years back.


Vess....as I said. It's a reality of life. There is not an unlimited quantity of land....nor an overflowing pot of cash. The girls field is shared with the local LL softball and baseball teams. The entire community uses the field during three of the four seasons. (As mentioned earlier) Aside from the grass infield, the girls field is far superior to the boys. But the boys don't piss and moan about the shortcomings of their field either. They understand that there is nowhere else in town to set a baseball field that would not infringe, or be infringed upon, by the needs of the rest of the community. At some time in their lives, they played soccer on the outfield grass.....some play football and use that grass during practice....some of their fathers play on the softball diamond out in right field in the mens league. And yes they've somehow managed to survive without a scoreboard before this season.

So yeah....the baseball team is "OK" with less than ideal conditions. As is the softball team.

It's HS ball for crying out loud.

[Vess Express]

Coach,
I understand the whole money thing, and I realize a lot of places in California may not have the land they need (Not as big of a problem in TX). However, saying your "girls" field is far superior to the boys, isn't really the truth. If it's being used by LL softball and baseball - the entire community as you said - it's of more use to those teams than it actually is for the HS softball team.(For what, 20 games or so each year?) Both the LL softball and HS softball are playing on a baseball field, and that just seems unnecessary.

It seems it would make more sense for the men's league and the softball field to be the same field. Then, the only difference would be the fences. Portable fences would be better to me than a grass infield.

And, using the outfield grass of the boy's field for other sports is still not as much of a stretch as having a grass infield for softball. Granted, it will tear up the grass to some extent, but it doesn't change the field itself.

I do not know all the specifics of your situation, so those were just my thoughts on the subject.


Spaz,
Not sure if that response on the Cal BB team was also meant for me. So, is that the only school, because you made it sound pretty common.

[Coach11]

Vess

(FTR....I'm in NY. Even more land issues here than Ca.)

Believe me....hands down the girls field is better than the boys. Not even close.

Men couldn't play on girls field. It's an enclosed field and the fences are at 220 down the lines.

Mens league uses their fields much more often than they could the single HS softball field.

Very active town, with limited field space. From now until November, every square inch of the complex is used on a daily basis. Baseball, softball (youth and adult) M/W soccer, M/W lacrosse.....hell. We even have rugby vieing for field space.

And I'm sure it sounds ludicrous that a softball field have grass on the infield to an outsider. But we have 1,000 kids involved in LL baseball and softball, vs. 13 varsity softball players. And LL baseball involves 4 times as many boys as it does girls.

The varsity baseball field is the only one in town with a mound. So the girls playing on grass isn't the biggest issue we have.

It's making the best of the circumstances.

[Iluvblue]

Toured all the city fields today and it was worse than I originally thought. I was expecting Modesto HS Baseball fields to suck...... well boy was I wrong. Pretty sweet actually. Enochs scoreboard looks like it belongs in Wrigley field.

And Pitman has NO EXCUSE. New school, tons of land, and 2 baseball fields, one looks like a minor league complex and not 1 softball field on campus.

Prepare Turlock, your day is coming.

[freetacos]

Nothing wrong with fastpitch on grass. The only people who don't like it are bunter/slapper girls that can't hit like real athletes but can run.
The days of the short game are numbered.
The days of finch and company dominating games is over.

Hitting rules...grass or no grass

ft

[Iluvblue]

Put boys baseball on all dirt infields and see what an uproar that would cause, but for some reason a few in here think it ok for girls to play with grass infields. Fastpitch has DIRT, not grass infields.

[Intel]

DD's High School

Covered Dug outs
Bull pens
450 Bench Back Stadium Seating
Press Box
Lights
Sound System
Full by Inning Score Board
Elevator to Press box
Handicap Seating and ramps
Film deck on top of press box
Infield and Outfield redone last year to include stabilzer infields.
Each high school has at least 3 pitching machines to include one the girls call R2D2 (Programmable pitching machine)

Difference between Softball and Baseball facilities is that the Baseball stands hold 900 people do to the larger baseball backstop.

Every High School Varsity Field is the same.

Travel ball teams have built and supported batting cages at every high school that travel ball teams get to use.