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by Dugout Dad » Wed Oct 24, 2012 6:41 pm

CoachJaimie wrote:I remember Liberals arguing for illegal immigration amnesty because we have "Full Employment" under 5% and jobs Americans won't do. Jobs leave America for China because the government forces them to leave with excessive regulations and interference. That and Unions who force the price of doing business to unsustainable levels.

You sound like you are a business owner or work for a grassroots type of company. :D
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by Trophy Hunter » Wed Oct 24, 2012 8:43 pm

Corporations exist to make profit, and operate in an international market for all facets of production. Can you imagine if Apple had to do their manufacturing in Cupertino... they'd be out of business! So of course those menial type jobs are shipped overseas. Obama claiming he'll bring those manufacturing jobs back to the US is pure BS - the govt can't dictate where companies make products.

And all the debate blather over China was just that, by both of them. No one is starting a trade war with China.

The problem is simple, business doesn't want to do business in the US right now, with the expectation of ever iincreasing costs, taxes, and regulations. That won't change if Obama is re-elected.

Btw, American companies aren't out to decimate the middle class. They rely on the middle class for sales and profits. What they need is the American workforce to re-educate themselves to fit into the available (and expected) jobs. If you can write computer code, you have a good job right now. If you have a degree, or can even work in IT, you have a good job right now. Nurses, plenty of work. Those old jobs that are gone are gone for good, but it has nothing to do with corporations trying to ruin their consumer base. The workforce has to be more nimble because the marketplace for jobs changes rapidly. Kids today would be wise to look at projections and try to fit their interests into a field that expects growth in the future.
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by as the world turns » Thu Oct 25, 2012 7:47 am

Mr. Observation wrote:The middle class has been in trouble since Bill Clinton left office. Where are the jobs you ask? China! Remember Bush?

I thought Obama did a good job schooling Romney on China, but there's a point I hope he hits on harder in the next few days.

Despite Bain Capital having pioneered outsourcing to China, Romney is now against China and condemns her as a currency manipulator. Ummmm.... Okay. right.

The problem is not China per se. Oh, it's a horrible regime and I'm glad I don't live there, and you should be, too.

But the problem isn't China. The problem is Companies like Bain and manufacturers who move their factories there to take advantage of cheap labor, lax environmental laws, and low safety standards. And when a "conservative" (you are nothing of the sort, Mitt) says that we need to be more "competitive", they usually mean American workers accepting less and putting up with more in bad air, bad water and unsafe workplaces.

China is not the problem. American companies and European companies are. this isn't like the 1970's, where Japan aggressively pushed its products onto the market, using tactics such as dumping to get a slice of the market and putting some companies out of business altogether.

This is a designed strategy by American and Western companies to undercut their own working class by taking advantage of China's bad behavior. Guys who give Mitt a lot of money and know he doesn't mean most of what he says.

You are a union hack, let me guess, SEIU?. Nice talking points
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by Sid Barrett » Thu Oct 25, 2012 8:08 am

Mr Observation, please elaborate on your statement that American and Western companies are engaged in a designed strategy to undercut the American working class. I am curious to see the facts that support such a bold, and quite frankley, offensive allegation.
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by as the world turns » Thu Oct 25, 2012 8:17 am

Trophy Hunter wrote:I'm amazed that he has any support from the Hispanic community. He promised immigration reform and gave them nothing. Now he's promising the same thing... They can't possibly buy into that, can they?


I don't get it. Mexicans leave Mexico to escape a corrupt, socialist government, but then they vote for same type of corrupt politicians here in America.

Cubans don't do this, they don't want America to become a Cuba.

Someone please explain?
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by ontheblack » Thu Oct 25, 2012 8:31 am

Mr. Observation wrote:The middle class has been in trouble since Bill Clinton left office. Where are the jobs you ask? China! Remember Bush?

I thought Obama did a good job schooling Romney on China, but there's a point I hope he hits on harder in the next few days.

Despite Bain Capital having pioneered outsourcing to China, Romney is now against China and condemns her as a currency manipulator. Ummmm.... Okay. right.

The problem is not China per se. Oh, it's a horrible regime and I'm glad I don't live there, and you should be, too.

But the problem isn't China. The problem is Companies like Bain and manufacturers who move their factories there to take advantage of cheap labor, lax environmental laws, and low safety standards. And when a "conservative" (you are nothing of the sort, Mitt) says that we need to be more "competitive", they usually mean American workers accepting less and putting up with more in bad air, bad water and unsafe workplaces.

China is not the problem. American companies and European companies are. this isn't like the 1970's, where Japan aggressively pushed its products onto the market, using tactics such as dumping to get a slice of the market and putting some companies out of business altogether.

This is a designed strategy by American and Western companies to undercut their own working class by taking advantage of China's bad behavior. Guys who give Mitt a lot of money and know he doesn't mean most of what he says.


You are an idiot.

This is a global economy. Apple goes to Asia for manufacturing while petitioning the US for more work visas for Indian programmers to employ. That is outsourcing manufacturing AND importing jobs. Apple has been a huge Obama supporter, though, so you will not ever hear Obama criticize Apple for their business tactics like he does with Bain. The fact is, he shouldn't be criticizing any of them as this is a free market economy.

As for wages, that is also governed by the free market. Trophy Hunter nailed it.

"The middle class has been in trouble since Bill Clinton left office."
This is the only thing you got half right, but for the wrong reason. The only industry Obama should be attacking is the banking industry. The problem with that is that it was Clinton who opened the door to this mess when he signed GLB - the Gramm, Leach, Bliley Act of 1999. Both parties are equally culpable for the consequences that followed.

Obama's bayonets crack was not only wrong, but classless and well beneath the dignity his office is due. There is not a single past POTUS who would have made the remark. It was shameful and embarrassing, and the only thing I have found more distressful is the number of people who think that was a great line.

I wish people would pull their heads out and do a little homework on their own instead of basing opinions on what our soundbite media spews forth. The biggest problem facing the American people today is themselves.
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by as the world turns » Thu Oct 25, 2012 9:31 am

as the world turns wrote:
Trophy Hunter wrote:I'm amazed that he has any support from the Hispanic community. He promised immigration reform and gave them nothing. Now he's promising the same thing... They can't possibly buy into that, can they?


I don't get it. Mexicans leave Mexico to escape a corrupt, socialist government, but then they vote for same type of corrupt politicians here in America.

Cubans don't do this, they don't want America to become a Cuba.

Someone please explain?


Okay....I will give an example: Antonio Villaraigosa

http://thefederalist-gary.blogspot.com/2012/09/antonio-villaraigosa-is-idiot.html

Los Angeles Mexicans idolize him.

And California dumbsh*ts would elect him governor - if he runs.
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by Dugout Dad » Thu Oct 25, 2012 6:45 pm

Spazsdad wrote:Freeloaderagosa was on the fast track with the Democrat party since he plays to the minorities which they specialize in. However, since he is such a poor speaker and an even poorer leader, coupled with his embarrassing performance at the convention, I don't believe he has much of a political career left. There are plenty of other minorities that the party and the unions can prop up for a run.

He can't answer questions in Spanish either. He won't answer the reporter's question and the reporter seems irritated, so much for it being a language barrier. Mayor Baboso.

Hit the CC button for the no habla folks.

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